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12-21-2007, 12:20 AM
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TT, HU, very deep vs Krantz
Full Tilt Poker $40.00/$80.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
BB: $45584.00
Hero (BTN/SB): $35064.50
Pre Flop: Hero is BTN/SB with T  T
Hero raises to $240, BB raises to $720, Hero calls $480
Flop: ($1440.00) A  T  7 (2 players)
BB bets $800, Hero calls $800
Turn: ($3040.00) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2675, BB raises to $10960, Hero calls $8285
River: ($24960.00) K (2 players)
BB bets $33104 all in
There's very little history, we've been playing HU for 10-15 hands on 2 tables, not a whole lot going on. We 3-bet each other a decent amount over a 90 minute session before this, 4-6 handed. Nothing too crazy, no pot ever really got to showdown that was too out of line.
Assume we play flop how we do, how do you proceed with the hand?
tc
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12-21-2007, 12:27 AM
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adept
Join Date: May 2004
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Re: TT, HU, very deep vs Krantz
If i only had a cardrunners subscription i would know what to do here... As I don't I have no idea
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12-21-2007, 12:41 AM
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Formerly xorbie
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Re: TT, HU, very deep vs Krantz
First thought is way too many hands that beat you. Second thought is that you almost never have a flush with this line (I suppose, being very deep, you might get tricky on the flop, but the flop/turn play makes your line make a baby flush rather unlikely IMO).
I guess he figures if you have a big ace with a  you're going to check back the turn a lot, and he has to figure that on this board with that flop bet you are going to be floating quite often, so his c/r could still be a somewhat wide range. It's also probably unlikely that he would play AA like this, and even a turned straight would probably be discounted since, again, you have a single  and are checking behind quite often.
Pot is laying you a decent but not great price, but the main issue here is that sometimes this is nuts or nothing, but if dynamic indicates that either of you might be about to get out of line, this is the best line for him to take with a flush.
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12-21-2007, 12:45 AM
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HoldEmKillah
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Re: TT, HU, very deep vs Krantz
either push the turn or call the river. dude is crazy. also i'd 4b preflop.
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12-21-2007, 01:03 AM
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2007 MSNL HU Champion
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: TT, HU, very deep vs Krantz
sweet hand. id play it like you did, and after i called his turn c/r id hover my mouse over the call button area with the intention of snappity snap calling the inevitable river push
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12-21-2007, 01:13 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jun 2004
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Re: TT, HU, very deep vs Krantz
Awesome hand to post. I think I play same and fold river but I'm playing still and haven't thought much.
I think 4bet preflop is bad.
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12-21-2007, 01:17 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Re: TT, HU, very deep vs Krantz
lol sickkkk hand
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12-21-2007, 01:18 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Re: TT, HU, very deep vs Krantz
haha this is a sick hand...
My Spidey-senses tell me he hit a 2-outer.. well technically 11 but whatever..
I really want to fold.. but the fact that Jay probably thinks we have a flush here 0% of the time makes it tough...
I think if I knew Jay would tell me what he had if I folded, I'd lay it down... otherwise... I JUST WANNA SEEEEEEE!
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12-21-2007, 01:24 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: TT, HU, very deep vs Krantz
I don't think I can find the fold. Its a very small piece of information to make such a big decision on, but his flop bet sizing doesn't look like a flush. If he flops a flush in a 3bet pot here I would really expect him to bet pretty big on the flop.
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12-21-2007, 01:26 AM
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veteran
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Re: TT, HU, very deep vs Krantz
ps i think against a lot of opps we should check back the turn with our hand but not against Krantz. We bet to get the raise which we call, but god do i hate that river. The plan is to call the river like ec10 said... but for some reason when i first read the hand i thoguht play as played and fold river.
That's another thing... What can we guess Krantz's 3-bet OOP % is here this deep? given that the session has recently started in the hu format, what % can he expect you to have 4-bet pre with. I feel both questions matter a good amount to this hand.
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12-21-2007, 01:51 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: TT, HU, very deep vs Krantz
forget what i said i cant read.
Last edited by lapoker17; 12-21-2007 at 02:02 AM.
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12-21-2007, 02:49 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: TT, HU, very deep vs Krantz
puke ftw.
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12-21-2007, 03:14 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: TT, HU, very deep vs Krantz
sick.
id call cause you have a set!!!!!!
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12-21-2007, 03:30 AM
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2006/2007 HSNL HU champ
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Re: TT, HU, very deep vs Krantz
TC,
I would def play the hand the way you did on all streets, 4 betting pre given info is pretty bad imo, and playing flop or turn different with stacks im not a big fan of either. I would call river but I think its super close so I really dont think it matters much tbh, unless you have bankroll considerations or something its close enough that it shouldnt matter (so call).
I also dont think shoving turn is terrible at all, could even be best but call/calling is pretty nasty
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12-21-2007, 04:10 AM
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veteran
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Re: TT, HU, very deep vs Krantz
Quote:
Originally Posted by ike
I don't think I can find the fold. Its a very small piece of information to make such a big decision on, but his flop bet sizing doesn't look like a flush. If he flops a flush in a 3bet pot here I would really expect him to bet pretty big on the flop.
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its a pretty big piece of info if krantz was 6tabling at the time (i know he was 1hr before this hand). Also i think your turn bet while stnd vs 95% of hsnlers, is pretty terrible vs krantz w/ these stacks.
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