No. This story is already huge and I'm sure everybody in his immediate community has heard of it. Afaik, some people took the trouble of e-mailing people who go to his school as well. His immediate family and whatnot already know about it.

I am not going to seek out his family members, teachers, etc. and inform them of what happened. I don't see any way in which that is my business or responsibility, or even an appropriate way to deal with the aftermath of this. If people feel the need to expressly do this, that's their business, but what Jose did is going to follow him around for a long time regardless.

The only way that I would consider this an appropriate or reasonable thing to do would be if Jose were evading contact, but he is not, and as far as the impression he's given me, is fully willing to settle our affairs in a timely manner.

I don't know why you think I can make him do that. I don't have any leverage over Jose. I am thankful that he's decided to be straight and get out affairs in order, but that was of his own volition. I have no way of making him.

I asked him actually during our conversation if he could reveal only to me, or only to a journalist (who could promise privacy) his screennames, but he said he couldn't. His lawyer instructed him to absolutely not tell anyone at this point, and he had nothing more to gain from it. He also pointed out that as per the nature of this scandal, it's a pretty bad idea to trust people who promise privacy in a world full of gossip and which rewards leaks.

Every competent chip dump is going to be made to look like a real match. I posted about this earlier as well. Chipdumping over a small amount of hands is extremely risky and not a good idea for a large amount of money.

Also, he didn't have the amount of money in his account to simply sit at 100/200 table and get dumped money.

Jose has told me that he spoke to Noah. I don't know whether or not he will be willing to do a live interview, but the impression he gave me is that he just wanted to be done with everything and get away. He also had not been reading much of 2p2, logging into Skype or Facebook because it made him sad. But when I told him it would go a long way towards everyone (including us) trusting him if he could prove his funds, he said he would.

You are very right. I chewed him out about it, but I also knew that he was willing to do it in the first place. There is no good answer to this, you are correct.

Great point. I suspect HQ has clearly been caught in yet another lie on the intentions of the chip dump but since there is no way to clearly prove it, and since he has so strongly dug in his heels on his little story about this, he feels like he can't come clean on the real purpose of the dump.


You don't need 600 hands to avoid just raising 99% of pot and folding to a shove. You can easily play normally over 5 bi's and make the random weak play in 100 hands or less.
OBVIOUSLY if you are dumping money at those stakes, you could do it in about 75% less hands and still not make it that suspect. To do so in 570 shows a clear awareness of the Bluff Challenge and a desire to make it not only look real enough to get by the site, but to make it look like a real match with the added scrutiny of the bluff challenge and possible rail birds.

Logically, he almost certainly is lying about this chip dump, but since he has already cornered himself on it, he won't come clean.

I really don't believe it makes him sad. I think it makes him feel embarrassed. I've only spoken to the kid a handful of times on Skype or whatever, so I don't know him well... but based on everything, I really don't think he is upset or sad at all aside from embarrassment.

I addressed this above, but the chipdump started at either 10/20 or 25/50, I can't remember which, and then moved up in stakes. And if at any point you are dealt a hand in which the only thing that makes sense is for you to win a buyin or to fold, you have to play it out. But while 4-tabling (or whatever it was), 500 hands is not a huge amount of time for a chipdump of 100k. I don't know if you've ever chipdumped before, but I'm assuming from your response that you have (I don't mean this in an accusing or incendiary way whatsoever, but out of genuinely asking). How long do you think it would take a chipdump of this nature to play out without taking any risk?

I would contend that losing 100k to an account that has approximately 20k in it over 150 hands would look extremely suspect, especially with little or no high stakes play history, even with no other information when Lock reviews its daily winners/losers.

If the match lasted for 1500 hands or something like that I think you'd have a good argument, but I honestly don't think that this is counterevidential. A safe chipdump has to look convincing both to people who may be watching or looking at overall results, but also if the poker site gets curious and checks over hand histories afterwards. To chip dump 100k in 200 hands, you would clearly need to fudge some hands or play some illogically, which is a dead giveaway of a chipdump. I took as long as it needed to to ensure that I played every hand consistently and rationally while still dumping the money.

If you want to do a "live" interview I think we can handle that, let us know.

Well I do give credit that you're in here responding to pretty much all questions. This could be the start of finding some closure if you follow through all the way on it.

Woah, just to recap what 54- posted,

When asked if Jose won the Lock Challenge in 1 day he replied, yes, he played @ 8 different people that day, including people who JM claim he played against on Girah's account

arnie numbers
Tylersmith

I'm not sure what to make of that, if it's true.

Dog, good job answering these questions and helping to put this to rest (I love that you want Vanessa to do the interview)

Perhaps you could talk to Daniel about doing a thread (similar to this) so he can put this to bed too.

I don't mean to flame here, but wouldn't you want to make a chip dump of that size seem legit? I play on Merge, not that much action going on at those stakes.

1). DiH did you help Jose write this blog post? Here.

2). Against which account/accounts did jungleman 4-table against at $10/$20 PLO HU and $25/$50 PLO HU? Here.

3). Can you see why people think you, Jose, and jungleman colluded to win the Bluff Challenge?

Let me walk you through it:

This account plays the first 29 days of the Bluff Challenge, at $5/$10 6max/full ring and lower, and is losing. The final 2 days of the challenge: you chip-dump $100k to this account, this account wins $43k->TylerSmith, $30k->INeverFoldi, and $25k->arnie92662. Now, jungleman has admitted to playing the matches against Tyler and arnie. Further, he "doesn't know" if he played INeverFoldi.

Thanks for prompt replies in this thread.

Yes, as mentioned in the OP of this thread.

I don't know exactly. I knew he was playing, but was not watching and would not remember. He or Jose will have to answer that question.

Yes. I can also see some reasons why it's difficult to believe. I don't believe Jungle played INeverFoldI because I believe (again, I may be wrong, I am speaking from memory) that this is the person Jose played on his own. I know he played against TylerSmith, but I don't know who else he played against.

I wish I could provide more evidence or information, but I don't have any more to give. I was not aware of the Bluff Challenge (and Jungle certainly wasn't), but we were certainly complicit in not coming forward and revealing the cheating after it had taken place. That I will admit to, and which I agree was a ****ty and cowardly thing to do.

No. Its location is from the US, and I already proved being the owner of the account to the people from Bluff. If anybody stated that, they are either lying or misremembering.

He played 570 hands against sam Chahaun though. That was a dump too.

I think a couple basic things could help you and jungle out a lot:

1) Someone get in touch with Jose's lawyer (or just find out if he has one) and confirm that Jose is telling the truth.

2) So this means Jose legitimately played some high stakes to win the challenge? If so, we (or at least some mods) need to look at those hands. Or hell, just ship his whole April database.

So, directly after the chip dump Jungleman was playing on Jose's account?? With the stake money? Like the same day or the next day?? In the last day or 2 of the challenge??

Why would JM play with the stake money that same day, or next day after sending it??


It seems pretty obvious that JM and DIH were quite aware of the challenge. They wanted Jose to win it so he could gain more media attention to himself in the poker world, which would be +EV for all 3 members involved.

That is the ONLY explanation for this!

The fact that DIH is still denying it means nothing. He has denied multiple things continuously and only comes clean about something when 2p2 has found direct evidence.


In his eyes, this is the worst thing for him and JM to admit to. And he feels that it will be impossible to be proven, so he's avoiding it by just admitting to the chip dump and MAing. But we are not stupid.

It is obvious that with 2 days left in the challenge, they stepped in to help Jose win. First by chipdumping him 100k, then by having JM play with the stake money on Jose's account.