One last thing I wanted to say regarding this, which I think it's strange no one has pointed out. There is also underlying all of this the presumption that if he HAD faked his results - we would know pretty quickly once he started playing. Poker players tend to put a lot more stock into their estimation of another player's play or thought processes than in their results. If we thought there was a disconnect between how Jose presented as a poker mind and his results, we would've stopped the train a lot earlier. And if we didn't believe Jose was good, we never would've staked him. He had talked poker with both of us long enough for us to believe he was a fully capable poker player.

Sure, I can see an argument that transferring 100k to someone who wasn't a proven winner, the risk would be more that they would abscond with the money rather than that they would lose it legitimately by being a bad player at the tables. If that's what people are suggesting, then this is part of the reason why we much preferred to transfer the money to the "Girah" account (a sponsored high-profile account with a pretty profitable career attached to it) rather than to his mom's bank account. Again, not to say we covered all our bases, but certainly that I don't think we were stupid given the information at the time.

edit: vv to the below, I made it very clear to say that I have no idea whether or not Jose is going to do this or provide any substantial proof, only what he told me. I am no longer going to speculate on any of it, and none of what I am saying hinges on its truth. He could've lied about everything and faked all his results and maybe he's going to give fabricated bank account statements to Noah. I don't know and it doesn't make a difference except give me more to think about and make this whole thing more baffling.

Whether you care isn't the point, the fact that you still think it's possible and keep telling Jungle it's possible has me on life tilt.

^^ Because people have accused me of criminal acts on a public forum with no evidence, due to the fact that I was silent and left the poker world. I have been left no choice but to address this and put the matter to a close.

Also, a couple final thing I wanted to say. It appears that I got some of the facts wrong on the TylerSmith situation. For that, I apologize, and I wish I could edit that out of my OP but I am no longer able to. I do not wish to weigh in on this, as I don't know all of the details, only what I understood from what Jungle told me about it. I may have misheard him or misunderstood his version.

The other thing is that over the course of this scandal, I've almost certainly misremembered and forgotten several things. This happens. I was very stressed and emotional, anxiously trying to answer things, and trying to recollect events that had taken place over the course of an entire year in the correct order. I got some stuff wrong and forgot several things at certain points, and that sort of thing is bound to happen. In the OP I have admitted to everything that I have withheld or been dishonest about. Anything else was a genuine mistake, misrememberance, or just having forgotten something. For that, I apologize.

I'm not going to into much detail as I've addressed most of the points about this, so I ask that you read this: my post detailing all of it).

But to offer distinct clarifications: We never agreed on a number for payment beforehand at all. Most of what I was doing for him was dealing with the business end of his career, but yes, I was also trying to help him with some life skills as well (how to deal with people in various scenarios, how to negotiate, giving interviews, that sort of thing). The original idea to work with Jungle in this way was not my idea, it was suggested to me by a friend, and I talked it over very thoroughly with some friends, with Ashton, and of course with Jungle himself. If they did not all agree that it was a good idea, I would not have done it. At various times he has called me his "manager," "business manager," or "business associate." I have never called myself his life coach, and neither has he, and I think calling it that is extremely misleading.

TBH I don't think Haseeb, if he's telling the truth has done much wrong. I think a lot of people would do the same things in his situation.

Haseeb I think your biggest mistake was lying in the first place, once your word lost credibility in people's eyes, that just added fuel to the fire in terms of all of the speculation and conspiracy theories people were conjuring up.

Haseeb,

Do a live interview, or stop posting.

I think this is the most truthful words Haseeb has written since the start of this. I truly see no reason for him to lie now...given how trashed his rep is at this point and the fact he's quitting poker.

I also think aejones needs to stop being such a fastidious nit.

I also 100% agree with him in regards to the Jungle vs Tyler stuff.

Haseeb...how come you find a chipdump be more tracable and secure way to give Jose the stake money than to transfer them into his mothers account?

The staking group you took part of that was giving money left and right to pokerplayers without checking them out first. Were this group handling out 100 k dollars to a single player too?

Having said that. I think there's a high probability Haseeb knew about the lock challenge and knowingly dumped the 100k. That was obviously very immoral if it is indeed the case. Given you were talking to Jose and supposedly his manager etc, it's hard to imagine over 3-4 weeks he never mentioned it to you.

Haseeb I think you're too concerned with helping your friends at the cost of others. I actually don't even think that you trying to take the fall for jungleman to save his rep. was wrong because you weren't hurting anyone. However to screw someone else over in the lock challenge thing to help your friend is def. super wrong.

Haseeb,

I'm still having trouble following the money trail. You state that you and JM owed 40k to Jose, ( from reading all the posts this is because Jose transferred 40k to the Samchuahan account, which JM lost.)

We now know that, according to JM, that he played under Girah's name at least 4 times.

-36k PLO session
+43k against Tyler Smith
+(?) I'm not sure how much JM won, against 'arnie'
+ (?) against INEVERFOLD, which JM is not sure that he played, but other postors claim
INEVERFOLD got crushed.

I'm just curious as to how you still owed Jose 40k if JM was clearly up a ton while playing under his name?

Because he didn't tell me. The Bluff Challenge was not some high profile thing all over 2p2, it was some promotion that Lock Poker was running. I don't know if there was even a thread about it in NVG until after it was over. The prize was "getting on the cover of bluff magazine and getting sponsored by Lock Poker." It didn't get a lot of attention.

When it comes to the dump itself, I agree, it looks totally suspect. That's what I was terrified about it coming out that we had done it, and why I was relieved when he had gotten disqualified and I thought the door had been shut on the chipdump. I point out though, there's really not much incentive for me to cheat. Jose was already sponsored by Lock, so essentially the prize for an extremely high profile and risky chip-dump, risking 100k of our own money and our entire careers, to get Jose on the cover of Bluff magazine. If I was faced with the decision, I wouldn't take the risk even if I wanted to cheat. It'd be a suicidal idea, and doesn't make sense.

You are correct, except that I have not charged Jungleman "100k", or any pre-agreed amount (read the post above) for any of this. Neither of the two have paid me as of this point at any time, and I am in fact out of pocket on both. And I agree with you, it's really stupid and crazy. A few of my friends who are aware of both arrangements tell me that I'm retarded for the way I've handled remuneration. But it's also worth mentioning that in both cases, I was not aware at first how much work was involved, and the amount and specific quality of the work changed during different stretches of time, so it didn't seem unreasonable to wait until it was over to know exactly how much work I had done/put in before agreeing on payment. But yeah, it was stupid.

One reason why I think I believe you is it would be very dumb to choose SamChauhan as the poker name, given it is someone real and could be tied back to you guys or whatever. I think you guys knew him, or that you would want to implicate him. This wouldn't be a worry if there was no challenge as you figured noone would see it. But it could get looked into very easily given Jose won 100k at the end of the challenge to win or w/e.

Jose/Jungle will need to verify all of this, because I am about to pull this from memory and I have not verified any of this. But Jose told me that he played against this guy INEVERFOLD (who according to some chatter from 2p2 that I read was from Portugal) on his own money at 50/100 near the end of the month of the Bluff Challenge. He asked for us to take his action and we unequivocally said we wouldn't, so he took it on himself. He won either 31k or 33k, which figured later into our accounting. It has been suggested that INEVERFOLD was an account that he used as well to make himself win the challenge. Or that may have been disproven. I don't know and have not been following the chatter on 2p2 about it, so I am not claiming any authority here whatsoever.

The accounting was also COMPLETELY ****ed up. Like, completely. We did not know who was up what, but Jose was supposed to be keeping a running tab on all of the differences in action taking and whatnot, and we were going to sort it out at the end. But we knew we owed him 40k from the SamChauhan thing, so he mentioned that in our conversations with the Skype group. We could've raised a fuss and asked him to look over all of the accounting before claiming we owed him whatever, but it was clear that we owed him (or at least owed toward the stake account) some significant amount. I am still not sure what the accounting is on the stake nor how to deal with it. I am still trying to sort that out privately with Jose, along with verifying the veracity of all of the hands played, of any potential cheating, etc. But he's assured me along with promise that he'll pay 10x whatever I claim if I can bring him any evidence that he's cheated us. I don't know what that means, so take it at that.

Maybe you misremember again, but the prize included
also a WSOP ME Seat. So while it is hard to assign a value to the sponsorship,
you helped Jose to cheat the second placing participant out of 10k,
and while you mentioned that you did not know anything about the challenge,
you also did not do anything after you know that Jose had cheated to win
the challenge.

So that you makes you an accomplice, whether or not you had
any bad intentions in the first place.

I'm not sure if it's been answered, but how come Girah never owned a bank account? If he tried to prove he had a lot of money, he would have to show a statement of his mothers bank account? Weird.