Originally Posted by tdomeski

kurosh, we get it, you had first hand knowledge of how to cheat and were more knowledgable about it and told us so.

Originally Posted by NoahSD

ace,
The word you're looking for is softplaying and you're completely wrong that it's not beneficial. You are right that if people share bankrolls, there's no point to softplaying, but sharing bankrolls (which is also of course hugely unethical) requires a huge amount of trust that softplaying does not.

For example, say I'm shortstacking a cash game and my buddy is to my left and we've agreed to softplay. If button opens, I'm SB, and my buddy is BB, I can now profitably ship a wider range than I could if I had to worry about my buddy overcalling. That translates directly into more money for me and less money for my opponents.

Originally Posted by Shane Stewart

I'm pretty sure there are alot more Americans playing on euro sites than people realize using proxy servers or whatever.

Originally Posted by thac

That doesn't matter, it's still shady and scummy.

Originally Posted by tubasteve

yeah im pretty sure plenty of partypoker players would care that US players are playing on their site w/out their knowledge, even if we boorish americans don't give a ****. quite a double standard.

Originally Posted by Don't mind me

The only thing is your buddy in the BB loses EV (to both you and to the enemy) by folding hands he should be overcalling, so I don't really think this is an effective colluding strategy.

Originally Posted by sickofitall

people are right in saying that a t-test is not the most appropriate thing to do here. so here comes the contingency table version:

we have 2 yes/no variables:

1) pots +-20BB played between 40 putts and kinetica:

yes 29 no 2872

2) pots +-20BB played between 40 putts and all others:

yes 326 no 10459

if we take the cross product ratio (to get the ratio of the conditional probabilities) we compute 29*10459/326*2872 = 0.324

this is the ODDS RATIO which means that kinetica and 40putts are about one third as likely to play a pot together than 40putts against the rest, or in other words: the probability of 40putts and kinetica playing a 20bb pot as compared to 40putts playing a 20BB pot against the rest is reduced by 67.6%.

and the statistical significance of this result goes through the roof as the Chi square value is 37.03 with 1 degree of freedom. (Would already be highly significant with a value of 8.)

Originally Posted by AceCR9

I want to quote part of Viffers good post, but it will just get me banned again so I won't. But I will comment on the issue of CRers(and a lot of others) knowing BT was multi accounting.


I was told sometime mid-08 by someone affiliated with CRers that not only did BT have 1 extra account(as he confessed to I believe) he had many of them, and that he even was aided by CRers employees in setting them up. Tough to believe someone low on the CRers staff knew everything, but Taylor did not. This was before Lee even joined CRers I believe, it was being managed by Zimba, who was made to sign a confidentiality agreement before leaving.

In fact I recall a conversation I had with Taylor at the CRers party that year where I told him I was frustrated with the number of people switching accounts on FTP 10/20, and his response was basically that why don't you do it too, everyone else is cheating to gain ev so you should do counter it.


also there is a guest pro on CRers who still multi accounts FTP 5/10-25/50 when he does play it, I've played vs him under both(that I know of) in the past multiple times...and have won significantly vs him so this isn't a grudge post. I'll let CRers out him tho, time they start confessing.


oh and for those who don't play HSNL and are wondering why it takes so long for stuff people have known to come out, its because for most people its better to keep someones 2nd account secret because as long as the secret is hidden you know and few others do and thats it, whereas when it does come out(not publicly, but in the HS community) those players will just get new secret accounts, which then you won't know about.

Originally Posted by Moneyball16

And if they are staying out of each others way and coordinated their playing schedule as much as the evidence possibly indicates, then it seems likely that they would go that extra mile and communicate about current hands while playing as well.

Originally Posted by thaaj

they will claim they are roomates...stars will accept that excuse...end of story.

In stox case silence speaks loud. Stoxpoker is the home of the largest scumbags around. Don't purport to be a killer to sell subscriptions if you are really just a bottom feeder. YOU ARE STEALING FROM YOUR CUSTOMERS. Sorry but basically everyone on stoxpoker is completely clueless. How do you hire that Jason Ho character? The best player on stoxpoker is fist pumping dusty and that is simply pathetic. You should all go skydiving without parachutes. Ty for trying your hardest to ruin online poker guys. YAY.

Originally Posted by viffer

short stacks short answers,

smoke and mirrors, he must of doubled up now the rat is holing

noone made these accounts up but you, you either did or didnt so you are right it wont take long to answer yes or no?

also i have nothing to gain or lose by your company, actually if cardrunners were to lose money it would cost me money, i have some to lose, but its not about them or your company right now its about you!!!!!!