Stoxtrader cheating/multi accounting discussion - Page 38 - High Stakes Poker Pot Limit and No Limit

H0NEY BADGER · 03-16-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Punk In Drublic

Also will a moderator please explain why people are getting banned for posting the link to an upcoming podcast about this subject?

I have a feeling this is because they're afraid this will lead to an uncensored discussion of this topic on said site, which will make the truth come out faster.

this really really needs to be explained

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Originally Posted by ike

Before anyone gets too worked up about this, think about it a bit. If its this easy to trace, its probably not anything that FTP is unaware of or would be upset about. This is consistent with what Bryce said about the TFPT accusations being not so much untrue as grossly mischaracterized. As best I can tell, the Stox/CR stealing from FTP accusation is an opportunistic move by someone with a grudge against CR to take advantage of a hostile climate to smear them. If I'm wrong about this, the cat's out of the bag anyhow and FTP will probably be coming down hard on whoever has been stealing from them.

It would be great if someone from stox, cr, or ftp could clarify, though.

even if its not technically hurting anyone to open the account in there name it still makes me really uncomfortable. where does the line get drawn on this? i mean, if they are using my info i gave when i signed up to cardrunners through TFPT is it really that much of a stretch for them to use my info to open accounts for other things that benifit them?

OGKUSH88 · 03-16-2010, 09:21 PM

nick rivers crushing the thread/issue.

beanie · 03-16-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bryce

I'm not sure whether we'll be able to out the reason that Nick opened new accounts but we're definitely going to address the collusion. What would you be willing to wager? If you're willing to use an escrow I can probably get backers, so pick a number. We'd also have to establish what you'd accept as evidence. Would verification by FT security be satisfactory?

I think you are trying to derail a discussion that is legit. I really don't see how a prop bet gets to the heart of the matter of whether or not your friend is a cheater. Clearly he has a microscope on him and some people will think what they want but at this point the best thing to do is to be as honest and open as possible. Which I think everyone is saying they aren't satisfied with the responses thus far.

You also aren't helping him with posts like this, it makes it seem that something is being hidden (let's call it the shiny object defense).

cero_dinero · 03-16-2010, 09:44 PM

Just want to add that if you sit at a cap table with 200BB's it will show up in HEM as a big stack hand (150-250bb) and not as a 40BB hand like it should. It only follows stack size. So that HEM screenshot is most likely inaccurate.

viffer · 03-16-2010, 09:48 PM

does hem share hands with others or send them to the parent company, or does each person exclusivly hold there own hands on there harddrive?

█████ · 03-16-2010, 09:49 PM

Hold 'em Manager does not send any hands anywhere.

stickychips15 · 03-16-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by viffer

does hem share hands with others or send them to the parent company, or does each person exclusivly hold there own hands on there harddrive?

I'm pretty sure PTR will do anything for a price.

TStar · 03-16-2010, 09:53 PM

HEM only saves HHs to each users database.

kk405 · 03-16-2010, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bryce

I'm not sure whether we'll be able to out the reason that Nick opened new accounts but we're definitely going to address the collusion. What would you be willing to wager? If you're willing to use an escrow I can probably get backers, so pick a number. We'd also have to establish what you'd accept as evidence. Would verification by FT security be satisfactory?

I think by now everyone agrees what a joke FTP security has become....good choice Bryce

**ike** · 03-16-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Punk In Drublic

Also will a moderator please explain why people are getting banned for posting the link to an upcoming podcast about this subject?

I have a feeling this is because they're afraid this will lead to an uncensored discussion of this topic on said site, which will make the truth come out faster.

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Originally Posted by H0NEY BADGER

this really really needs to be explained

Any link to anything on the website of that podcast is deleted, as per a 2p2 policy I don't know much about or have much of an opinion on (other than that I have a very low opinion of its owners/operators integrity and intelligence).

viffer · 03-16-2010, 10:08 PM

brice how about a jurry of his peers?

solow · 03-16-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ike

Any link to anything on the website of that podcast is deleted, as per a 2p2 policy I don't know much about or have much of an opinion on (other than that I have a very low opinion of its owners/operators integrity and intelligence).

Malmuth's personal vendetta/pettiness

m1ke · 03-16-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cero_dinero

Just want to add that if you sit at a cap table with 200BB's it will show up in HEM as a big stack hand (150-250bb) and not as a 40BB hand like it should. It only follows stack size. So that HEM screenshot is most likely inaccurate.

+1 this, more misrepresentation by stox

**Pasterbator** · 03-16-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cero_dinero

Just want to add that if you sit at a cap table with 200BB's it will show up in HEM as a big stack hand (150-250bb) and not as a 40BB hand like it should. It only follows stack size. So that HEM screenshot is most likely inaccurate.

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Originally Posted by m1ke

+1 this, more misrepresentation by stox

Just discovered this myself when i was going thru HEM. Interesting.

**NoahSD** · 03-16-2010, 10:26 PM

Does anyone have a large database of datamined hands at 5-10 to 25-50 6-max capped and uncapped nlhe on full tilt?