Stoxtrader cheating/multi accounting discussion - Page 29 - High Stakes Poker Pot Limit and No Limit

**jalexand42** · 03-16-2010, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by teddyFBI

Kudos, Bryce, for the above

+1. Kudos to Bryce for actually responding to this mess in an intelligent fashion. Frankly, it's a little surprising that CR/Stox hasn't handled this better BEFORE NOW. Taylor has typically been pretty open and honest in response to criticism of his company - where are you sir?

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Originally Posted by teddyFBI

although you're obviously going to invite some criticism yourself given that you've admitted to ghosting, something that has become more or less acknowledged as cheating, even while it may have been more widespread and tolerated in previous years.

Really? Did the poker coaching business end and noone tell me? Pretty sure ghosting happens every day and is still the standard tool for coaching.

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Originally Posted by teddyFBI

In any case, your post is hopefully the first of several mea culpas that will start getting this mess cleaned up. I thought Stox handled the Jason Ho stuff relatively well (after the initial scandal / embarrassment, of course). Hoping that Stox realizes that disclosure will always be welcomed with more open arms than will stonewalling.

+1 again. Didn't you guys learn anything from the Townsend deal? If he had immediately admitted wrongdoing and fallen on his sword, that fiasco would have ended much quicker and wouldn't be remembered the same way.

**Pudge714** · 03-16-2010, 01:41 PM

stox is no longer the mod of bfi for those who care.

Nick Rivers · 03-16-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nizzwsop

Just curious why the gentleman being accused isnt comin out here and talking and answering any and all questions?

There is one school of thought on matters such as these that it's better to never go on the defensive and to never admit to wrongdoing, no matter what. Consider the entire presidency of George W. Bush, for instance. He might be totally correct to take this position. Once all the anger has subsided and people have vented their frustration, perhaps they will grow bored and this can all get quietly swept under the rug (just like the 40putts/kinetica thing did the first time around).

Johnny FlopBoot · 03-16-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Verstehen

Wow interesting thread, I really appreciate all the detective work people are doing. I don't have much to add but I thought I would contribute this screenshot from the HSNL lobby as an example of the awesomeness of targeted advertising:

Hahaha, that's great.

Also, sad.. as it's a strange commentary on the game and the industry of "poker training" that has sprung up in the past few years.

Daddy Warbucks · 03-16-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jalexand42

+1. Kudos to Bryce for actually responding to this mess in an intelligent fashion. Frankly, it's a little surprising that CR/Stox hasn't handled this better BEFORE NOW. Taylor has typically been pretty open and honest in response to criticism of his company - where are you sir?

In Dublin, for meetings (non related i assume) with FTP.

**jalexand42** · 03-16-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Rivers

There is one school of thought on matters such as these that it's better to never go on the defensive and to never admit to wrongdoing, no matter what. Consider the entire presidency of George W. Bush, for instance. He might be totally correct to take this position. Once all the anger has subsided and people have vented their frustration, perhaps they will grow bored and this can all get quietly swept under the rug (just like the 40putts/kinetica thing did the first time around).

Worked out well for Tiger Woods too. Stonewalling just whips the mob into a frenzy.

**jalexand42** · 03-16-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbucks

In Dublin, for meetings (non related i assume) with FTP.

Yeah, well he's been reading the thread. :P

darkconcept · 03-16-2010, 01:51 PM

if i hear "migrate accounts" one more ****ing time, im going to snap.

good post as well thaaj, was feeling the same.

tongni · 03-16-2010, 02:15 PM

Kind of funny that in that linked thread with the Kinetica evidence with a pretty serious allegation and quite a well thought out post Stinger writes dismissively:

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When I play 25/50 PLO 6max, Rsa87 is at my table most of the times I'm playing. Does that mean we're colluding or have some suspicious playing pattern?

Wonder if he knew who was playing either account at the time.

h2005 · 03-16-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorgi24

you lost all credibility there. BT admitted multi accounting...

think you need to read it again

Ulkis · 03-16-2010, 02:18 PM

But he sounds so straight up in his videos...wait what? he was a broker or whatever in his previous life wasn't he?

---I do not regard a broker as a member of the human race. --- Honore de Balzac

NOSUP4U · 03-16-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pudge714

Except this isn't a public forum it is owned by 2p2.

Are there public forums that aren't owned by someone?

Mark

solow · 03-16-2010, 02:33 PM

Mods are lightning quick on the delete + ban buttons in this thread. Good work mods, you're doing god's work here.

(I'm talking about the link to Viffer on internet radio) I saw 1 posted and literally <30 seconds it was gone

Ansky · 03-16-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorgi24

you lost all credibility there. BT admitted multi accounting...

He was obviously referring to the question of whether or not BT's CR "colleagues" knew about the multiaccounting, not whether or not he multiaccounted.

**NoahSD** · 03-16-2010, 02:35 PM

Can someone provide an example of a reason that fits stox and Bryce's description?