Taylor is in Europe traveling back to Chicago.

Where is Stox? Why can't he post?

Dani,
I didn't delete the posts because they are in the best interests of 2p2. I deleted them because I think there should be due process when someone anonymously slanders a respected community member and that community members requests that information get taken down. When I initially deleted the posts I explicitly said this was not a permanent decision, however many people glossed over that. There is an assumption that the mods know a lot more then they do, when in actuality I and most mods only know the allegations that were posted and subsequently deleted. The rest of the discussion has revolved around boring moderating stuff, that isn't sheds very little light on the actions of stox/cardrunners.

I have noticed some people have implied that the speed of the deletion is a sign of a coverup. I assure you that deleting and restoring posts is incredibly easy; it probably takes less time than making a post. I get post reports emailed to me and have a blackberry, so deleting posts quickly is merely a sign that I am both by a computer and my cell phone.

Breaking news: people who play for high stakes with little consequences and risk cheat

How do you prove the negative?

That is, if Stox admits to using more than one account, how do you as Stox prove you aren't this person? Even if you post all your screen names you don't disprove the possibility that you are 40putts. There is no way to disprove you aren't 40putts that anyone here would find satisfactory.

I think the onus is on the accusers to prove the allegations, not vice-versa.

Furthermore, even if Stox said "it's not me, I didn't do it", would that really end this all? No, it wouldn't as this is off and running and has a life of its own.

i know if i were kinetica or 40 putts or whoever else whose account was being mentioned in this thread linked to cheating and stoxpoker i would probably post in this thread defending myself

Dude this is not a good idea. Take the signing up people for Stox when they only signed up for CR issue (and billing FT). This is so easy to prove that it is laughable. Please anyone reading this who signed up through the freetraining site and only signed up for CR goto stoxpoker and enter in the same username and click forgot password. Within a few minutes you'll receive an email with the forgotten password for an account you never signed up for. Post back the results. Guaranteed to work unless stox immediately disables all those accounts - if they even kept track of them).

Well, GG creating a new account and outting yourself.

I saw that post when it was up for the 45 seconds or whatever...and this post is accurate. Not sure why it was deleted...but I'm even more confused as to why the poster would be banned for posting a link to a podcast. Is that against the rules to that degree? Maybe it is...someone inform me please.

Its these quick deletions and bannings? that are causing the alarm bells to go off to a lot of 2+2ers following this thread.

why is this not in NVG? this should be in NVG
having in High Stakes gets less traffic, so less views...
another angle by 2p2?

Oh brother....

I think you guys should definitely boycott 2p2 and never ever post here again. That will show them for perpetrating such a heinous conspiracy. Also, I'm pretty sure Mason was responsible for 9/11 and possibly the Kennedy assassination...

Edit: Now that I have posted this on 2p2, Mason is considered guilty until he proves otherwise. Right?

I don't think its such a big deal if he didn't collude. There are much shadier things going in poker. Hackings, superusing etc. There are probably more superusers than have been caught. Some of the smaller sites could be doing it in a smart way. UB was caught primarily because they were turbo ******ed. It is obv annoying that he has a training site, but i suggest people just cancel their subscriptions.

Thread in NVG

Stoxtrader Responds To Cheating Allegations In HSNL Forum

Relax. I'm not claiming conspiracy in anyway. I just want as much transparency as possible.

One of the reasons the thread remains in HSNL is so members of the community can discuss this issue without lurkers giving their two cents.

I have no idea what Raster is referring to so I can't comment on the matter.

wow, this is true for my account

Would this be an example of a "migrating account"?

Haven't gotten to the rest of the thread yet so I haven't seen if someone responded to this, but it's hard when posts are being deleted with potential evidence of said wrongdoing.

FTP has had Digipass single use passwords since at least December.

It isn't possible to have due process (or any process) if the information isn't available. Hiding information is pretty much the opposite of due process.

These accusations aren't slander because they are true, as shown by stox admitting to them (except collusion).

I think people focusing on the collusion part and diminishing the multi accounting part are missing the point. He represents businesses. That in and of itself holds him to a higher standard because he is responsible for that businesses image. So if you were to excuse random multi-accounting (by non-affiliated players) his instance likely isn't excusable. Townsend was slapped on the wrist because he was the first incident. The second guy won't receive a similar fate IMHO.

Poker is really out of line when representatives of places that take our money whether it be rake or fees deceive us. Granted, that is the deal you get when you sign up for taking the money that comes with being sponsored but if you can't stand playing at a disadvantage then you shouldn't play because you aren't representing the people that are paying you well at all. I am specifically referring to shared databases and multi accounting, obviously collusion if it's proved is the ultimate sin. BTW weren't these the exact types of situations where the great and powerful PTR was supposed to help us sort some of this stuff out?

I assume that it is possible that Stoxtrader had permission from all people involved but I would consider that highly unlikely.

Before anyone gets too worked up about this, think about it a bit. If its this easy to trace, its probably not anything that FTP is unaware of or would be upset about. This is consistent with what Bryce said about the TFPT accusations being not so much untrue as grossly mischaracterized. As best I can tell, the Stox/CR stealing from FTP accusation is an opportunistic move by someone with a grudge against CR to take advantage of a hostile climate to smear them. If I'm wrong about this, the cat's out of the bag anyhow and FTP will probably be coming down hard on whoever has been stealing from them.

It would be great if someone from stox, cr, or ftp could clarify, though.

Creating accounts for people without telling them seems a bit weird.

the sky is falling!!! the sky is falling!!!!!

These two threads should be merged and put in NVG.