Stoxtrader cheating/multi accounting discussion - Page 11 - High Stakes Poker Pot Limit and No Limit

nizzwsop · 03-15-2010, 05:47 PM

How or why would you feel safer changing screen names?
Can someone please explain this to me?
or was it a case of :
it puts the lotion on the skin or it gets the whip again!

ColdDecker333 · 03-15-2010, 06:03 PM

So basically he admits playing 3 diffents accounts, which is heavily against FTP rules. All the winnings from the other accounts (other than the original "StoxTrader" account) should be confiscated.

RunyonAve · 03-15-2010, 06:19 PM

buffalo bill quote fails ITT

idcimallin · 03-15-2010, 06:26 PM

How did FTP let him get away with this?

Udummy · 03-15-2010, 06:42 PM

If Stox wanted to clear his name.......couldnt he release the old acct name because he switched to the 3rd acct?

He'd still be "safe".......and we could see hands played and profit by the old acct......unless he has something to hide...

LOLSTOXPOKERMENTS

player850 · 03-15-2010, 06:50 PM

i´m also afraid of that somebody cheat and i lost my money

Ouird · 03-15-2010, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nizzwsop

How or why would you feel safer changing screen names?
Can someone please explain this to me?
or was it a case of :
it puts the lotion on the skin or it gets the whip again!

hose!!

gtrunner57 · 03-15-2010, 07:32 PM

I believe Nick to be 40putts and his good friend Rob to be Kinetica.

ggbman · 03-15-2010, 07:48 PM

Just out of curiousity, would people have an issue if he hadn't made the third account? Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to defend his response. The whole idea of making a new account and saying that he can't explain why he needed to obviously shouldn't and doesn't fly, and I don't understand why he thought people wouldn't have an issue with it.

Personally I wouldn't have an issue with coaches/instuctors having one SN for making videos and another for playing their regular games so they could have the same chance to keep their SN for their regular games secret just as everyone does. Of course, this is only cool if these SN's are segregated in this manner (one for regular games, one only for videos) The real scummy thing about multi-accounting is playing a bunch of hands with people under one alias, developing history with them, and then playing under another name to take advantage of that. He doesn't seem to have every done with the Stoxpoker name, so to me that is a bit different than multi-accounting for the purpose of decieving your opponents and taking advantage of your history with them. For me it is making the third SN and then refusing to explain that I take offense to. I am just curious as to what the consensus is on this?

viffer · 03-15-2010, 08:01 PM

im getting emails from former employees, about cardrunners and stox, now i dont know much about any of this cause im kinda dumb and not very edumacated, but stuff seems kinda funny to me. hmmmmmm what should i do with em?

momma always told me, if it loooks like a fish and smells like a fish it probally a fish.

anyways not really any of my buisness, and i dont play online much, and dont really want to be an investigative reporter, god knows if someone investigated me what they might find. but if anyone wants to dig into this matter seems like there are some former employees out there that have lots of dirt on some of todays online supperstars, i just wont be the one digging into it.

and anyone posting pics of me with hookers, pimps drug dealers, strippers trying to discredit me., i already admit to it all, and for a price i might post the pics my self

kikadell · 03-15-2010, 08:04 PM

viffer i know about that night in tallahassee. $10k to keep my mouth shut

Nick Rivers · 03-15-2010, 08:04 PM

Here is the link to the discussion in the HSNL March 2009 Thread about the 40putts/kinetica collusion. I consider the evidence to be pretty damning. If anyone wants to crosspost this in the NVG discussion, go right ahead.

Admo · 03-15-2010, 08:06 PM

ggbman: Nick played 25/50NL and 30/60 Limit on the stoxtrader SN a few days ago.

viffer: Nick invited me via PM to dig up whatever I could find so feel free to pass 'em along and I'll take a look.

Bigfoot · 03-15-2010, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ggbman

Personally I wouldn't have an issue with coaches/instuctors having one SN for making videos and another for playing their regular games so they could have the same chance to keep their SN for their regular games secret just as everyone does.

Why should someone be entitled to a second account because they chose to make their SN public solely as a means to profit financially. IMO they're giving up the right to anonymity if they freely choose to work as a coach/instructor/whatever. They have to make a choice. Either it's worth it to make your SN public and profit from coaching, instructing, self-promotion, etc. or it's not. IMO it's pretty pathetic that someone (anyone) blatantly self-promoting in such a manner would require an anonymous SN. If you're selling a product, and that product happens to be yourself and your skills, then there should be near 100% transparency with your actions.

Far too many conflicts arise when any other scenario is allowed. If an instructor were allowed multiple SNs they could easily selectively play only games they're extremely +EV in under their public SN and create an exaggerated winrate. This would allow them to further self-promote and increase revenue for their business on top of them being able to charge more for their product. It's no less unethical than selectively modifying your database to exclude losses that occurred for whatever reason.

ImsaKidd · 03-15-2010, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevRobCR

This was the reply STOXTRADER gave in the Stox forums.

"n regards to the collusion, like I said it's completely untrue and laughable. Go ahead and dig as deep as you can.

In regards to the account names, I have always made small stakes training videos on Stoxpoker under the alias "Stoxtrader". I have never played higher limits nor regular opponents using that account. Plenty of people who cared about this knew/figured this out/could have figured this out anytime in the last 4 years. This is easily verified by checking Stoxtrader tableratings, on both stars and FTP, and always has been. The reason I switched in the first place 4 years ago was because the UIGEA had just been passed and i was worried about playing high stakes online poker on a "known" name. At that point I had no reason to make any changes until this January.

In regards to 2+2, the mods originally moved the thread because of the anonymous and smear intended nature of the accusations and the thread stayed in the mod forum as near as I can tell because there was a safety issue involved.

I played under one account in my normal games for approximately 4 years until January 2010, at which point I did switch account screen names because I had reason to believe I would be safer if I did so. My game at the time was going well and I had no profit driven motive for doing this. That was a misjudgement. In hindsight I could have taken a break from poker entirely for a few months but I didn't do that, though I will likely be doing that now. I stand by my original post that what I did was never with nefarious intent. My name made in 2010 was the only other account I played on and I played it for about one month. I have never played on any other account name including littlezen or kinetica, or soft-played/colluded with anyone. I have never played two accounts simultaneously. Everything I have posted can be independently confirmed, aside from my reasons for switching accounts in January. Unfortunately, those will stay private.

The reason I posted a picture of my hands played by stack size was in response to the accusation that I was a shortstacker. I wasn't refuting the accusation, I was simply showing the amount of shortstacked hands played were a small proportion of my total hands played, including cap and shallow tables. I would be happy to edit out the results portion of the picture and simply leave hands played by stack size.

cliff notes:

I played one account for 4 years, I concurrently used a different account to make training videos, that is the only thing it was used for. Two months ago I played a third account for one month because I felt safer doing so. Right now I am not playing but hope to be able to play again after a suitable break."