Full Tilt Poker $40.00/$80.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BB: $45584.00
Hero (BTN/SB): $35064.50

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN/SB with T T
Hero raises to $240, BB raises to $720, Hero calls $480

Flop: ($1440.00) A T 7 (2 players)
BB bets $800, Hero calls $800

Turn: ($3040.00) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2675, BB raises to $10960, Hero calls $8285

River: ($24960.00) K (2 players)
BB bets $33104 all in

There's very little history, we've been playing HU for 10-15 hands on 2 tables, not a whole lot going on. We 3-bet each other a decent amount over a 90 minute session before this, 4-6 handed. Nothing too crazy, no pot ever really got to showdown that was too out of line.

Assume we play flop how we do, how do you proceed with the hand?

tc

If i only had a cardrunners subscription i would know what to do here... As I don't I have no idea

First thought is way too many hands that beat you. Second thought is that you almost never have a flush with this line (I suppose, being very deep, you might get tricky on the flop, but the flop/turn play makes your line make a baby flush rather unlikely IMO).

I guess he figures if you have a big ace with a you're going to check back the turn a lot, and he has to figure that on this board with that flop bet you are going to be floating quite often, so his c/r could still be a somewhat wide range. It's also probably unlikely that he would play AA like this, and even a turned straight would probably be discounted since, again, you have a single and are checking behind quite often.

Pot is laying you a decent but not great price, but the main issue here is that sometimes this is nuts or nothing, but if dynamic indicates that either of you might be about to get out of line, this is the best line for him to take with a flush.

either push the turn or call the river. dude is crazy. also i'd 4b preflop.

sweet hand. id play it like you did, and after i called his turn c/r id hover my mouse over the call button area with the intention of snappity snap calling the inevitable river push

Awesome hand to post. I think I play same and fold river but I'm playing still and haven't thought much.

I think 4bet preflop is bad.

lol sickkkk hand

haha this is a sick hand...

My Spidey-senses tell me he hit a 2-outer.. well technically 11 but whatever..

I really want to fold.. but the fact that Jay probably thinks we have a flush here 0% of the time makes it tough...

I think if I knew Jay would tell me what he had if I folded, I'd lay it down... otherwise... I JUST WANNA SEEEEEEE!

I don't think I can find the fold. Its a very small piece of information to make such a big decision on, but his flop bet sizing doesn't look like a flush. If he flops a flush in a 3bet pot here I would really expect him to bet pretty big on the flop.

ps i think against a lot of opps we should check back the turn with our hand but not against Krantz. We bet to get the raise which we call, but god do i hate that river. The plan is to call the river like ec10 said... but for some reason when i first read the hand i thoguht play as played and fold river.

That's another thing... What can we guess Krantz's 3-bet OOP % is here this deep? given that the session has recently started in the hu format, what % can he expect you to have 4-bet pre with. I feel both questions matter a good amount to this hand.

forget what i said i cant read.

puke ftw.

sick.

id call cause you have a set!!!!!!

TC,

I would def play the hand the way you did on all streets, 4 betting pre given info is pretty bad imo, and playing flop or turn different with stacks im not a big fan of either. I would call river but I think its super close so I really dont think it matters much tbh, unless you have bankroll considerations or something its close enough that it shouldnt matter (so call).

I also dont think shoving turn is terrible at all, could even be best but call/calling is pretty nasty

its a pretty big piece of info if krantz was 6tabling at the time (i know he was 1hr before this hand). Also i think your turn bet while stnd vs 95% of hsnlers, is pretty terrible vs krantz w/ these stacks.

this makes me click call v often

btw i raise flop almost 100% v krantz w/ these stacks.

pshhh lotsa things make you click call v often

So many hands beat you here. But he's so wild I may just look him up, he'd surely bet the flop bigger with a flush and he can't really put you on one. Awesome hand nonetheless.

durr, against krantz are you not thinking the combo of us going bet bet win and the times we induce a spazz out bluff don't increase the equity to make the turn a bet?

I feel the turn is a check against opps that are call monkeys in different ways then Krantz is and then we can go for the river value raise on many rivers, but against Krantz this will put us in the same spot and seems to tie our hands. So if we're going to put in the action on a street, isn't the turn preferable unless you think he perfectly balances the bluff frequency in this spot, not to mention the situation dynamic changing if we check behind and board pairs on river.

oh yea, i'd call

Also not sure why nobody has mentioned it, but I raise this flop almost always. I'd probably rather raise flop and check turn than call flop and bet turn, for a large variety of reasons. You can also raise, bet turn, bet river, or raise, bet turn and check back the river if the flow calls for being that nitty.

As played, there's no way I'm folding the river. I think he v-bets a some stuff you beat. Mostly though, he likely doesn't think you will call a shove w/ a very much of your range here.

I actually like the flop call exactly to set up the turn c/r. But then I'm definitely getting it in on the turn or river (probably turn to avoid a puke river).

wtf does he vb for 425bb that is worse than tt?