Cliffs: Wahhhhh poor me wahhhhhhhh this sucks wahhhhhhhhhhh bye guys I am not going to answer any questions but later I'll write a book F Scott Fitzgerald style

I would do the same thing too if I was caught in so many obvious lies. Well, I'd stop posting at least, I wouldn't make a 5,000 word blog post feeling sorry for myself with no new or relevant info in it. Just 5,000 words of whining.

The great thing for him, Jungleman and Girah is that poker players have very short memories and in 6 months most people will barely remember this. There is no better group of people to try to steal money from because people forget so fast and there are very rarely any real-world repercussions.

Do this but for the word "I" plz.

on monday when i combed through my chatlogs with jose to find his various account names i found a skype chat log that got my attention:

"dogishead, offered to design my website/talk to training sites/find me students for the next 4 months for 15% of all revenue
[2/4/2011 3:06:04 PM] josé maria macedo: he would also use his rep/connections etc and help me out in other ways, teaching me how to coach and stuff"

I called haseeb on the phone about this and he said the deal never happened. We also chatted about this on skype and here is that log:

"[12:42:29 AM] Ben: [Monday, August 08, 2011 6:18 PM] DOG:

<<< yo, reception here is mega shaky for some reason or other
in the blog post i wrote that my original agreement with jose involved him paying me a percent of coaching earnings, but as i started taking on more **** that changed and we never really agreed to anything exact
and i've yet to get paid anything
i have no idea how much coaching he's done"

I think this is relevant to post at this point since if haseeb was receiving a cut of jose's coaching earnings haseeb would have motive to make jose look like a stronger player than he actually was. again, according to haseeb's chat logs this deal jose mentioned never occurred, but i think it is relevant that haseeb wanted that arrangement to happen. i also think jose is fairly unlikely to be lying about this particular thing since it dates all the way back from feb 2011 and he would have no reason to lie.

how is this still being asked!?

Before this scandal broke, Haseeb was in skype chat trying to keep the scam private and therefore indict noone. When it became obvious that this was impossible, he reasoned it would be possible to throw only Jose under the bus and get away with that. Then it became evident that there was more going on beyond the 30k scam, and he defended himself for awhile until chipdumping became apparent. Once the chipdumping becomes apparent through the questions being asked, he dips from 2p2 and takes a few days consolidating a story with jungle, at this point conceding that he will take all the blame.

Unfortunately for him, before the chipdumping became known, he had already admitted Jose was being staked 50/50 by both himself and jungle. Now were left with him just leaving poker and still some big questions left unanswered

Credit to mmmmcake for pointing this out. April 29th tweet by macedo:

https://twitter.com/#!/GirahPoker/st...69628695019520

And shortly later:

https://twitter.com/#!/GirahPoker/st...05215724498944

(2p2 censors shortened URLs. it's just a shortened link to lockpoker.eu)

Just to clarify why this is imporant. Here's what DIH said in his interview in bluff:

well if girah hadnt gone and scammed some msnler/hsnlers outta 30k+, the suspected "long con" people think haseeb might have done woulda paid off a hella lot more than 250k. Go back and look at beachjustice's posts for numbers

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Dear Haseeb.....I would like to be the next prodigy. I say we get to this ASAP since noone will suspect another prodigy could happen so soon to Girah's scandal. In 3 days I will let you know that I want to be called TheChosenOne. When funds are needed we will use my common sense on how to go about it. No you will not ship me funds from an account that you thought was cute such as AndrewWiggins..this will look suspect. I'm willing to relocate and I know how to work VPNs. I'm convinced with my common sense and your poker knowledge we could really be new prodigys. Maybe you can write the story and I'll rewrite so it sounds more like me and not exactly like you.

so wat further is he hiding according to u? wat is his big plot that his blog doesnt answer?

GirahPoker José Maria Macedo
Match is over, he played well but I ran good, happy with the final result If anyone wants to play me from 10/20 to 200/400 HU contact me!
29 Apr

You mean like when I asked Haseeb if Girah really is worth $700/hr over multiple hours and he said "haha, yea, he's legit." based on just seeing a screenshot of his results? And then with the hype the rates got higher... And that Girah actually had 0 experience coaching and was asking me tips on how to do it? That he wanted to study with me?

It sure does seem like Haseeb was getting a cut to me..and that someone was helping Girah with all of it.

Its inconceivable that jungle could be ignorant of his stakee being chipdumped 100k by his staking partner.

He is covering the fact that jungle was just as much to blame for cheating the Lock challenge as he was. His explanation of the SamChaun account makes no sense. jungles innocence is the only thing left he can possibly salvage, after sequentially failing to cover up for everyone, then himself and jungle, and now just jungle.

of which he gets 0-15%?

Just out of curiosity, now that he has done the honourable thing and ridden off into the sunset leaving a trail of accusations behind him, what are the chances that Dog is Head could be charged with some sort of fraud for the various ways in which he seems to have misrepresented himself and others?

If it turned out that he had in fact orchestrated the deception that led to Girah being held in such high regard, would it possible for the people who paid huge amounts of money for coaching from Girah to form some sort of "Concerned Citizens of North Haverbrook" type group and seek compensation?

I don't even know how that would work with regard to international law, but it seems likely that some of what seems to have occurred was surely illegal.

A little gem from two years ago when F. Scott Qureshi was filled with the unbridled arrogance of youth instead of the unrestrained self pity of guilt.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=659

"For high stakes poker players, there's a shirt that they all wear. On the shirt it says "I follow high stakes rules", referring of course to all the rules that high stakes players generally agree to among themselves. When somebody becomes a high stakes poker player, theyget one of these shirts. When one of these people breaks the rules, the shirt can be taken away by the community, and it is clear to see who has the shirt on and who doesn't.

Now, your argument is that even though lots of people wear the shirt, you actually only know WELL a few people who know the shirt, maybe 10-15, and there are maybe a hundred people who wear the shirt. Your claim is that even though those other people haven't had their shirt taken away yet, you aren't really ALL THAT SURE that they won't do something to get their shirt taken away - the only people who you really know well enough to know that they won't are these 10-15 people you know. So you say, I won't trust just anyone just because they have the shirt, I only trust these guys because they're my friends and I know from experience that their shirts are meaningful.

I say, you're wrong - the inherent selection process for this shirt is good enough. It's your responsibility to trust in this shirt, because those others who have the shirt will trust in you. The system is functional, it works well, and it deserves to be respected. If you don't want to follow the system, then take off the shirt and make up your own shirt.

Goddamn, I'm so good at this."