Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > No Limit Hold'em > High Stakes PL/NL

Notices

High Stakes PL/NL Discussions about high stakes pot-limit and no-limit hold'em (10-20 and up)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-07-2011, 09:16 PM   #241
veteran
 
Charmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,028
Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2DMB2LIV View Post

One of the few players pretty much guaranteed to have an edge on Durrrr is Jungleman, and given how badly Girah was pushing for the Durrrr challenge to happen, it's not looking very good for JM....
If this were a huge, elaborate scam ultimately targeted at Tom: how would JM and Haseeb allow Girah to execute such a poorly planned, executed, and relatively small scale scam with such a high % of being busted and ruining the entire scheme?
Charmer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2011, 09:17 PM   #242
veteran
 
kjemmy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
Posts: 3,044
Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2DMB2LIV View Post
First off, why would you believe what he said at that point?

Secondly, and this is not a rhetorical question, do you think Girah was delusional enough to actually want to play Durrrr?
From what transpires now about his play, it seems he was barely beating MSNL on Euro networks...
At this point I don't really know how good he is/was, but from how he's acted in chat after this broke out I'd say thats definitely a possibility.
kjemmy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2011, 09:32 PM   #243
stranger
 
pasteldenata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Lisboa
Posts: 4
Angry Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

Ban for life

There's no room for cheaters in poker
Even though he could be a great player, which as never been showned, just ban for life

He confessed 3 times that he had multiaccounting

First time (when he first came public), he was under 18, was learning, not happy with that, but ok, newbie mistake

Second time (Lock race) no excuses, he should have lost all his credit there

How the hell was possible to happen a 3rd time????


Once a cheater, always a cheater


As a portuguese guy, I feel ashamed
Sorry guys, not all portuguese players are like that



@Girah: Se tens vergonha nessa cara, nunca mais na vida jogas poker, nem a feijões
pasteldenata is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2011, 09:35 PM   #244
adept
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,021
Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

Quote:
Originally Posted by SecondChance View Post
Um, yes? Morals and scumbaggery aside, girah is clearly far from intelligent, as demonstrated by his poorly executed scam. I mean, look at Deldar...luckboxed in poker, but clearly so very retarded in other aspects of life (and even poker). Winning at high stakes doesn't mean you have common sense, although it obviously makes it extremely likely that you do.

And I'm not even being results oriented about the scam either; given the evidence, it looks incredibly poorly executed.
I have to disagree with this. The kid is clearly highly intelligent in terms of pure brainpower/IQ.
While there is some correlation between raw intelligence and objectively assessing one's skill level, smarter people have been found to be completely delusional before, which is why I was serious when I asked KJemmy what he thought about it.

Also, he clearly has sociopathic tendencies, which is the kind of thing that tends to get in the way of acting coherently.
For example, it's very possible that he was just so high on being the cented of attention of all these HS players as an 18 yo kid that he completely lost touch with reality and was at that point functioning mostly on an emotional level and essentially completely lost his ****.

And lol @ Deldar being stupid. I mean come on...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charmer View Post
If this were a huge, elaborate scam ultimately targeted at Tom: how would JM and Haseeb allow Girah to execute such a poorly planned, executed, and relatively small scale scam with such a high % of being busted and ruining the entire scheme?
I'm not a huge proponent of the big super organized scam theory, to be honest, but it sure looks weird given the circumstances when Girah barks at Tom to destroy him on 4 tables of 200/400 HU when he seemingly can't beat MSNL games.

As I said though, I think Haseeb is much more likely to be deeply involved in anything scummy than JM at this point.
At the very least, Haseeb is guilty of account sharing and trying to stop the situation from becoming a public matter. This is pretty much fact at this point and is enough to legitimately tarnish his reputation, and that's best case scenario.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kjemmy View Post
At this point I don't really know how good he is/was, but from how he's acted in chat after this broke out I'd say thats definitely a possibility.
I'm actually glad you think that, as I really want to believe, and still kind of do, that JM had nothing to do with this landslide.
2DMB2LIV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2011, 09:38 PM   #245
adept
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 915
Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2DMB2LIV View Post
I have to disagree with this. The kid is clearly highly intelligent in terms of pure brainpower/IQ.
While there is some correlation between raw intelligence and objectively assessing one's skill level, smarter people have been found to be completely delusional before, which is why I was serious when I asked KJemmy what he thought about it.
Also, he clearly has sociopathic tendencies, which is the kind of thing that tends to get in the way of acting coherently.
For example, it's very possible that he was just so high on being the cented of attention of all these HS players that he completely lost touch with reality and was at that point functioning mostly on an emotional level.

And lol @ Deldar being stupid. I mean come on...



I'm not a huge proponent of the big super organized scam theory, to be honest, but it sure looks weird given the circumstances when Girah barks at Tom to destroy him on 4 tables of 200/400 HU.

As I said though, I think Haseeb is much more likely to be deeply involved in anything scummy than JM at this point.
At the very least, Haseeb is guilty of account sharing and trying to stop the situation from becoming a public matter. This is pretty much fact at this point and is enough to legitimately tarnish his reputation, and that's best case scenario.



I'm actually glad you think that, as I really want to believe, and still kind of do, that JM had nothing to do with this landslide.
Stupid is all relative. Of course girah and deldar are smart compared to humans, just like retards are smart compared to apes and dogs. However, they're both clearly cluess when compared to other people who have lots of success at poker, and both delusional as well.

Moreover, there are plenty of types of intelligence. Just because you have one or a couple doesn't mean other areas aren't completely lacking. And, let's not ignore the most likely "run hot" that both of these players have had throughout their poker careers.

I mean, look around the high stakes forum if you don't believe me...there are plenty of "good poker players" who say incredibly dumb things.
SecondChance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2011, 09:41 PM   #246
veteran
 
Charmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,028
Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

Moss/kjemmy/others in the group: Its been said twice by other players in the study group that Girah's play seemed fishy when observed in real time for 10 and 20-30 min blocks. Im just curious if you guys often observed him grinding high stakes, not necessarily sweating, but it seems like everyone had his account names etc.

Even if he sold 50% of himself for the challenge, hed be effectively playing 100/200... beyond strategy discussion, did anyone actually observe him playing nearly these stakes consistently? Or does the "midstakes bumhunter who can articulate strat well" theory have weight?
Charmer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2011, 09:59 PM   #247
adept
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,021
Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

This is from JnyC's post, talking about Haseeb:

In fact, he gave his word that if Jose didn't pay then he and Jungleman would. He then asks if we are going to go public with this and mentions that it's up to us, but he would rather it didn't go public. He mentions that they were going to go live with him...but if this gets out then they can't do that anymore...implying that if this wasn't outed they would still live together(?)

Is there any way to spin this nicely for Haseeb?
2DMB2LIV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2011, 10:07 PM   #248
self-banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 499
Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

^^ toocuriusso's on it
quid pro quo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2011, 10:14 PM   #249
adept
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,021
Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

lol
2DMB2LIV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2011, 10:16 PM   #250
veteran
 
kjemmy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
Posts: 3,044
Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charmer View Post
Moss/kjemmy/others in the group: Its been said twice by other players in the study group that Girah's play seemed fishy when observed in real time for 10 and 20-30 min blocks. Im just curious if you guys often observed him grinding high stakes, not necessarily sweating, but it seems like everyone had his account names etc.

Even if he sold 50% of himself for the challenge, hed be effectively playing 100/200... beyond strategy discussion, did anyone actually observe him playing nearly these stakes consistently? Or does the "midstakes bumhunter who can articulate strat well" theory have weight?
Some of the guys were railing him when he was playing 50/100 on Lock poker at one point, I think. I've never seen him play these stakes myself, so I'll confirm with others.

As for the "midstakes bumhunter who can articulate strat well"-theory.. We don't really ever discuss hands against fish, but against other regulars. His strategy chat was impressive and I didn't doubt for a second based on the chat that he could be a top player, but given both Matt and Ivvaen say it was weird how basic he seemed when they sweated him, I can't really say anything for sure. I'd be surprised if he didn't actually play these stakes though - that I can say.
kjemmy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2011, 10:27 PM   #251
adept
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,021
Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

Kjemmy, what do you think of this theory, based on your strat chat with Jose?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sergeisergei View Post
So the background basically is that Dog Is Head created this whole Poker Prodigy theme over Jose, who in reality is a mediocore midstakes reg. This Portuguese guy exists obviously and plays some poker, but "girah", the highstakes uber pro, is just creation of atleast DIH and maybe some other guys (tho DIHs storytelling skills are just, lets say, too awesome for this to not be his idea)

People would rail/get coaching from Jose(not "girah") and think he is just some regular guy, like he is, making ton of mistakes and being unsure what to do in simple spots. Then in Skype DIH or someone would takeover "girah" role and write all of the highlevel strat conversations. Same goes for the training video he made that was clearly written for him, as even Jose himself was a bit unsure what he was saying. And for 2p2 posts (yes IP's probably track him to Portugal, but have you thought about him copy-pasteing stuff that "someone else" wrote to him)

Jose is just the face of "girah", while in the background there's guys who are using his reputation, his accessability to Euro sites, and him being him to a) gain more money b) getting jungleman to play durrr.

Everything just fell apart when Jose himself went on and scammed people who thought this was the real "girah". What you should realise is that this Jose guy isn't the same person, the guy who you thought would never scam you just because he's got this high-level poker-mind, because, well, he isn't "girah". He's just the face of it.
Given the writing similarities (seems pretty obvious that Haseeb wrote a ton of stuff for Jose), Girah's website in Haseeb's name, Girah and Haseeb's account sharing, Girah's really weird tone in his pokerstrat vid (lots of people felt he seemed to be reading), etc...it doesn't seem very far fetched a theory, imo.
2DMB2LIV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2011, 10:40 PM   #252
veteran
 
horse84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: schnitzelkönig
Posts: 3,453
Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

Quote:
Originally Posted by aejones View Post
I watched his poker video, it was terrible.
this just isnt true.
horse84 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2011, 10:44 PM   #253
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Syous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: All over the world
Posts: 6,712
Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

I really don't see how Haseeb can defend Jose when it's clear he pretty much tried to scam everyone he knew on skype. Some of us fortunate enough to dodge the bullet, others not so fortunate. Mind you, these are people who looked up to Jose. They took his word as scripture. When Jose talked, he had a high level of respect within the group. And yet months go by and he so easily turns around tries to cheat everyone that he deemed worth talking to.

For those who are ridiculing the ones who did get sweat, think about it this way, if any nosebleed player offered to sweat you, would you not snap accept?

---

re: haseeb being Jose

It's almost unthinkable, almost impossible that Haseeb would do such a thing. Jose chatted very frequently in the group and he offered strat. advice constantly. For Haseeb to put in that time and effort to make 25-30k over the span of 5 months, right...I would assume that Haseeb is A) smarter than that B) has more efficient ways of making money.

It's annoying that Haseeb especially is dragged into this. I don't know him well but he's always seemed like a great guy and if he gets dragged through the mud because of this, I hope it's because he's got too much of a big brother syndrome than doing something really sheisty.

Last edited by Syous; 08-07-2011 at 10:51 PM. Reason: meh
Syous is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2011, 11:01 PM   #254
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
aejones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Running the Streets
Posts: 18,343
Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

it seems like girah is at least a winning midstakes player/slight winning high stakes player? maybe he got greedy after he got a rep.

re: haseeb/jungleman

i think it's very unlikely that jungleman was a criminal mastermind here. his involvement is likely some sweating/coaching/MA'ing.

i have no idea what haseeb's involvement is but it doesn't look good for him.

i did not mean to imply they were involved more, it's only speculation at this point.
aejones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2011, 11:02 PM   #255
veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: San Diego CA
Posts: 2,836
Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

I've personally played a number of hands against him at Merge mid stakes and I know some other people who have played quite a few. I won't have access to my database until tomorrow, but if you guys would like I can post all significant hands I have played with him.

FWIW, my personal experience was that I never noticed anything special about his play, though I may have not seen enough showdowns in order to make a reasonable assessment. One thing I do remember thinking that seemed odd was that he did quite a bit of table selecting even at 2/4--Significantly more so than other notable opponents who didn't have his reputation for crushing higher stakes.
Marshall28 is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:55 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 2008-2010, Two Plus Two Interactive