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think it's important to find out all victims here. maxkatz1 isn't getting repaid afaik right now, and other people are possibly unaware they have been scammed. i was next on girah's radar (inbox asking me to be skype buddies), but i wouldn't have been involved in the same skype convos as others mentioned itt. this may go deeper

well turns out it wasn't too far from the truth

according to girah maxkat1 played girah's friend in a fair match, but he will still repay the money maxkat1 lost. i do not think they've agreed on a method of payment yet.

According to the three of them (jungle, DIH, jose), Jose had put up a 40k deposit for the house Jungle and DIH were moving into, so they owed him money. What was said was that if Jose didn't come through and pay up, DIH and Jungle would take money from what they owed and make sure the money was paid.

This ended up not happening - Jose is sending the entire amount to me on Merge - and there was no 'bribe' from DIH and Jungle's side to keep their names out of this.

The reason we kept their names out was because we werent completely sure how deep it went, and we didn't want to cause a huge ****storm if we were wrong. After reading more into it, Jay decided to go ahead and post all of the convos and what we had discussed in the skype chat. The rest you can read yourselves in Jay's post; Jungle and DIH have backed Jose, apparently Jose's ipoker account is in Haseeb's name, etc etc.

yeah right and then he asks me if he can play his friend (sauron1989) from my account cause he won't give him action on his account. makes perfect sense.

I propose that someone from 2p2, probably a reputable mod or another nosebleeds player, take control of this and ban Haseeb/dogishead and possibly jungleman until they have sent a true confession of everything they knew and did to the mod who deems it detailed enough that it is posted to the community.

Until then I think there needs to be a way for the 2p2 community to come forward and say "THIS IS NOT RIGHT", not just to girah but to his backers primarily DIH/Haseeb who has played under girah's account and shared passwords to his own account with girah. We can't let him pay the victims to sweep this under the carpet, nor can we accept the "travel" excuse for lack of explanation.

Also jungleman needs to explain why he was moving in with a fraudster who isn't remotely on the same skill level who's so eager to play the durrrr challenge... unless he was part of the fraud scheme.

Lastly afaik the victims have been communicating with DIH and jungleman. Is this wise? They are in fact sending all the info to those 2, and if they were indeed puppet masters they are able to sit back, digest all the info, and work out a strategy to best save their own names based on the info being fed to them by the scam victims. Once again if there was someone reputable enough to come forward and take control of this that would be best... a judge/mediator type person whom both victims and those who need to explain ie. DIH and jungleman, will communicate with, who will then post all the communication onto 2p2.

it could have been a different person logging into his skype and talking strat from the get go.

Surely with whats been posted about the skill level of girah observed by people sweating him and his obviously scumbag nature brings into question wtf was really going on with girah wanting to take the durrrr challenge.

anyways just posting my support in the thread for some more serious measures being taken with regards to jose, this should be made a police matter and he should face the harshest possible punishments. An insencere apology means nothing from an obviously very intelligent scammer who is capable of doing this again if given half a chance.

This is sounding like the drones of NVG using their jump to conclusions mat so they can be the first one to peel back a new layer of the scandal. Just calm down, take a deep breathe, and stick to facts and solid questions for DIH/JM to answer. FWIW I'm not saying you're wrong, just that when I see your name I skip over the post because it's so hard to take seriously.

I would love to find out if there's some kernel of truth to the $250k scam story. Seems like a really weird thing to just make up out of the blue. But in this interview he says "I was naive because... I did something that I shouldn't have done..."

http://www.pokerstatic.com/hot-seat/...-girah-macedo/ (start at 26:45)

Before that he says he couldn't go to the police and couldn't talk about it? What kind of $250k IRL scam can you not go to the police over?

I guess the most likely scenario is this is just a cover story for why he was playing $1/2. But who knows.

Also what kind of Portuguese accent is that?

Sorry, but that isn't how this community works.

I can promise to the poker world if Im ever on a table live with Jose I will spit in his face.

Anything short of all the accounts involved being confiscated, Jose being banned from Merge and iPoker and shunned from any credible poker community is a farce. People like this deserve to be drawn and quartered. **** your Emo confession of guilt. I highly doubt you've come clean about all your crimes. Blaming "your friend" is a deflection of your wrong.

Why dont you move into a house with JJprodigy and Sorel Mizzi and have a big happy family?

Well now it's clear why Jose was asking me what I thought a -100k PTR account would be worth. Any smart player would want a winning PTR so other regs would give him respect. But if he wants to get action cuz he can see their cards, clearly he wants a massively losing one.

no, he's smarter than that, that's why he's moving in with dogishead and jungleman instead so he will have accounts set up for him under haseeb's name and passwords shared as haseeb has done, haseeb can now log into Jose's account and play from the same IP so the account will no longer be locked, will get to play durrrr challenge with daniel "durrrr-crusher" cates by his side, and if **** hits the fan he will have haseeb pay out his victims as has been posted.

Step away from the keyboard, let responsible adults handle this.


Everyone jumping on DIH is kinda pushing the envelope a little too far. It's very possible he tried to cover this up to save his rep after backing/vouching for Jose for so long. But to have people suggest that he's been logging in to Jose's Skype to talk strategy from the beginning and has been ghosting/playing for Jose from the beginning is pretty effing crazy imo.

What the hell do him or Jungle have to gain from something like that? Get involved with a supposedly crappy player from the beginning to make him look good. DIH's explanation of how he got involved with Jose is almost identical to Sauce's and probably quite a few other people. The kid is most likely very glib/seemingly humble which caused people to trust him. **** happens.


You can debate whether DIH's intentions to keep this thing private for x$ is ethical or not, but as long as he wasn't directly involved, it's not the worst thing anyone has ever done. And nobody can be sure whether DIH or Jungle would have moved in with jose after finding out about everything. I choose to believe they would not as both are very intelligent respectable people that have made it very far on their own merits and have no reason to screw that up over something like this.

Stop hating and throwing mud on people until there is sufficient evidence. At this point you're on a witch hunt, stop it.

663366,
You're an idiot, just stop. This will get investigated just fine without you tarding the thread up.

Wow, you clearly have not read the NVG thread lately, if at all.
Time for you to take a look before you step in front of an avalanche, imo. And I'm not talking about busto SSNL players, I'm talking about posts from the HS players in the skype ring.

You just don't give up... Just because you haven't made it as far in the poker world as others have, doesn't mean they got there by cheating and you're a saint...

lol @ the 2 fanboys above, note my post above didnt have anything but truth of whats already been posted... but if you must...

read this instead:

Originally Posted by JnyC
Dogishead enters our skype chat and says that Girah confessed to him that this cheating took place. Prior to this, Girah did not confess to me nor anyone else within the group as far as I know. In any case, Dog says he will get back the money of those who lost it. In fact, he gave his word that if Jose didn't pay then he and Jungleman would. He then asks if we are going to go public with this and mentions that it's up to us, but he would rather it didn't go public. He mentions that they were going to go live with him...but if this gets out then they can't do that anymore...implying that if this wasn't outed they would still live together(?). He continues by taking on the role of big brother and almost defending Girah by saying that he's young and stupid and that while what he did was scummy, he doesn't think that he's a bad person and a whole bunch of other comments that rubbed me the wrong way.

During these conversations, Dog admitted that both he and Jungleman back Girah for highstakes games. This leads me to believe that either Dog or Jungleman were the mysterious backer who logged in to play PLO during the Lock Challenge. Jose also mentioned that one of the ipoker accounts he uses is in Dog's name. To quote Dog "draw your own conclusions".

Dog was very insistent that we hold off on making any posts before he had a chance to deal with this situation as both Jungle and him had "strong ties" to Jose. He also wanted us to wait and "confront" Jose and let him "explain himself" and other completely asinine kindergarten BS.


It became apparent (at least to me) that the only thing Dog cared about was his reputation, not about what his "very close" friend did, not about the people who were cheated - only that he's not portrayed in any way that could damage him. He confirmed this yesterday when, upon learning that all of the above would be posted, came into the skype group and said that if this was mentioned, "there is NO way [they] can agree to bank transfer the money".

I agree.

I know what happened with regard to the UK guy but don't hold any physical evidence myself of what happened. Would be good if one of any number of UK guys who know who this is (and most do) would post on it.

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Yeah, and this is far from all of it. JnyC's post has been confirmed by all the HS players in the skype ring, btw.

Nah, only an idiot would want a winning PTR, lol.

You are correct, i did not read that thread, I'm sorry if something i said has already been proven incorrect or if DIH/Jungle have already been proven to be scumbags, but I don't think so.


Did I miss something? I saw the post by the guy who said that DIH wanted to cover it up and wanted to move in with Jose anyway, but that's somebody's recollection of a conversation, unless there's actual skype convo where DIH said something like 'i'll take care of everything, just dont make it public so i can move in with Jose'...

It just makes no sense that Jungle would want to involve himself with something like this, DIH either... DIH has been scammed and knows what it feels like, Jungle has millions of dollars invested in durrrr challenge which he insta loses is he's found to be a scammer amongst other things i'm sure...

makes no sense...

Actually, how about YOU GTFO and quit your personal attacks on me... and better yet, actually READ through the posts others have made which detailed Haseeb logging into girah's account playing hands(admitted to also by girah himself), Haseeb and jungleman proposing to pay off girah's victims only if they dont make this public, and their intention to still live with him if none of this came out? Unless you think that all the victims are lying??

You can keep posting attacks on me all you want, but you're looking like a shill in fact... same as "Land of the free" earlier in the thread trying to get the focus away from girah/haseeb/jungleman.