It's really too bad how quickly this interview was put together. I think the community as a whole would have much rather had thoroughness than haste. I'm not sure why Noah felt this had to happen so fast, but as it's in progress now, I hope the result is satisfying.

+1

what noah is doing is totally irresponsible if this is the only interview JM is willing to do. Noah should clarify before proceeding

at this point there is no rush and there def needs to be multiple members present (AE and Vanessa).

Members of the panel should be committed to researching, analyzing and preparing facts prior to discussion and have all relevant material available to present JM for his reaction.

once the panel has been determined 2+2 should pm the panel questions/info

Noah and I are preparing the questions now, based on what people have sent in. I'm going to take part on this call as well.

I agree with this.
I know Noah is really smart/sharp and objective and afaik doesn't suffer from any infatuation towards JM, but clearly no one, no matter how smart, is immune to forgetting certain points or not retorting optimally to certain allegations made on the spot, etc...

I'd feel much better about this if someone like Vanessa went along for the ride. I think it's a huge plus to have someone sharp on your side who can keep an exterior watch on what's going on and step in whenever he or she feels it is necessary.

edit: Apparently Vanessa is in on it. Perfect.

What time is the call rescheduled for? Will the video be available? Just Noah and Vanessa (fwiw I think they are 2 great choices) or a 3rd person too?

Fwiw I don't think people are saying things like this. I think there was just some temporary confusion after your exchange with FWF. Also fwiw I agree that 2/5 isn't necessarily a sign of busto and I thought of you as an example of somebody who would do this. (and like you said has done similar things in the past)

I might've missed something but why did it have to be done today as opposed to tomorrow or this weekend?

will there be 2sessions?(someone suggested that a few pages ago and it was well received)

Vanessa is a great choice because she's awesome.

She merely posted her opinion at the time she thought JM was unlikely to be involved and that anyone who knows JM would likely understand why it's possible he could have been easily misled by DiH.

That doesn't mean she's going to overlook something or not pursue something that looks/sounds fishy when talking to JM.

I guess I´m late to the party, but whatever ...

From what I remember, Ashman did have more than one account on FTP and he was outed on 2+2.

Plus she is intelligent and has a law degree (or... did she graduate yet? my duck newsletter is late) and has already posted in this thread srs questions to be posed to Jungle

+1 for Vanessa being a good choice

Maybe add a third person to the panel who leans toward JM being guilty (if there are any) to balance? This could be a poor idea, just throwing it out there.

We're done with the interview. Noah and/or others will be transcribing... it was pretty long so this may take a while to get out. I believe we were pretty objective and got some good stuff in there which I think will be interesting. I'm happy to take any and all criticism for the interview after it comes out though

Transcribing sucks. You should just use a program like Dragon Naturally Speaking to do it for you Noah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVI_H_-jLDE

it could have been JM playing on ppp's account. The only thing against that is DiH's word, which is worth about zero...

Dude you really should be raising a lot more hell about this. I'm one of the very few who keeps correcting people who think of this as a $30K scandal, because adding your money alone makes it $45K, then there's the benefits from winning Lockpoker challenge, what Jose charged/planned to charge for coaching using doctored results as his resume, etc etc.

So raise more hell sir, and you hopefully will get your money back.

Can we just get the audio posted?

edit:

Are you also adding the (outstanding) $17k (?) claimed by iamkafka?

As I said in the other thread, I think Noah mentioned that Jungle is the one who did not want the audio posted, and that he only agreed to have a transcription. We were conducting it as if it would be transcribed (like random asides where we're just explaining the situation where he doesn't really understand obvious implications), but despite that I would not have a problem with posting the whole thing if he doesn't.

Vanessa I have a ton of respect for you as a player and overall intelligent person(we met briefly once but im sure you wouldnt remember), but I think this interview was put together way too hastily. As you know I've pursued this the involved parties here with some success by demanding to know the IPs of girah/DIH, whether DIH played on SamChauhan etc until the answers came out to be what I suspected all along. What you guys didnt know is that some of us pursuing those involved in the thread actually know something more than we let on; that we know things/people that already hold more truth about the greater extent of the scandal than the public has known. That's why we pushed the inquiry in a certain direction all this time.

But unfortunately I could not have submitted the questions to you in time because it was never announced with enough time in advance that this was going to take place. I was playing poker for a few hours and simply just missed it. I assume this to be the case for a lot of other posters in this thread as well.

Since theres a chance for a followup interview, please remember that some of us actually arent just throwing accusations or NVGtarding or whatever in this thread; we actually know certain things that we dont want to let on without having for eg. Haseeb or jungleman confirm themselves. For eg. if I had KNOWN(somehow, through someone for eg... I'm not going to specify just how I might have known) prior to all this that someone did chipdump to Girahh that I wouldnt just come in and say that, I would push to ask Haseeb if he did that, UNTIL he admitted, DUCY?

Thanks.

fwiw I think next time as well as you, NoahSD, maybe include tommyhawkers or alexeimartov or aejones or boywonder would be excellent.

I've been waiting to get caught up on the thread before posting but here is a situation a can see arising which I'm am probably going to regret posting it since a lot of what I am going to say is highly circumstantial but I also feel highly plausible.

Part 1- Pre Girah
Hasseb
-does very well in poker. Wins 1m+
-spends/loses/degens off a large percent of his role.
-needs to make money
-realizes Ashton and JM would be two incredible people to live with both in terms of their poker knowledge and their "looseness" with money
-starts grinding and getting better then he already was from talking with Ash/JM
-sees an opportunity to take advantage of Ashton/JM's "looseness" with money by taking the running prop bet
-scenario 1. Ashton losses and Hasseb has 1m and can play high stakes again
-scenario 2. Ashton wins and Hasseb goes to JM for a loan. He has the same amount of cash liquid but owes JM 300k.
-Ashton beasts it and win. Hasseb can't pay. JM has been crushing and sees Hasseb as a good friend and makes a loan based on his assumption that Hasseb has a high earn potential and more money then he actually does, or maybe solely because he seems Hasseb as a good friend.

Part 2- Girah
Hasseb now
-is cash poor plus owes JM 300k and needs a way to pay it back plus start making his own money
-is contacted by this wiz kid who has made a run from micro stakes to mistakes who wants help getting up to highstakes
-decides to back in some form/take under his wing with help from JM who considers himself to be close to Hasseb after being swoon by his F.Scott Fitzgeraldesque wordsmithery
-Hasseb uses his literary skills amongst other tools to advance Girahs standing in the poker community
-It works, he becomes known as the PPP and is working towards sponsorship etc.
-Lock poker dumping fiasco happens. Money that was supposed to come into Girah/Hasseb from winning the challenge is now not
-JM I truly believe is in the dark at this point and is trusting Hasseb to manage Girah as a horse for both of them. I can see him having not that much interest in Girah but figures, "Hasseb thinks the kid is good, must be a good investment"
-Teamviewer scandal blows up. Hasseb claims to have nothing to do with it (which he may not) however small bits of details are coming out which begin to paint a picture of Hasseb as untruthful at best and a possible mastermind cheat/liar

Sidenotes

-As Lefort mentioned all of Hassebs posts come off as a bit preachy and unapologetic. Also I find all the minute details to fit a bit to well. Hasseb is a very smart person and as much as he enjoys writing has to know that nobody cares about minute details that have nothing to do with the inner goings-on of the scandal. It seems like he is using a tactic and tone where if I talk about X happening which such detail is it impossible I would be lying. Therefore Y must be true.

-How does Lock poker keep Girah on as a pro after the chip dumping fiasco. If Hasseb/Girah had xfered money between accounts before, even small amounts, it would be impossible for Lock to not know about this. They def messed up big time here by not instantly cutting ties with Girah.

-Girah states he wants to play the Durrrr challenge. Two situations seem to be plausible
A)It was a publicity stunt that would never happen
B) This was a Hasseb idea to get JM more Durrrr Challenge action once the first challenge is completed. It seems that there was a close to 0% chance Girah would be playing.

663366 - I agree with you that everything was done very hastily and totally understand your concerns. Last night no one really stepped up as wanting to be a part of the panel, and it didn't really get put together so I assumed it wasn't happening today, and then I only learned about the interview 30 minutes before it began. A lot of questions were compiled in the thread and from people that did know about it, and it's specifically because of the hasty way it was compiled that we made sure Jungle agreed to do a follow-up interview (that hopefully others will step up and do, as I don't think we should be the ones doing it). We also thought the sooner it would be done, the less time there would be for people to "get their stories straight" behind the scenes. We got a lot of important information out regardless, and hopefully the follow-up will be a much more coordinated effort.