nop, that's the language bar but it's easily switchable

creation and mod date both are:
2011:05:05 15:47:09-07:00

using http://regex.info/exif.cgi

Fwiw, imageshack re-compresses images uploaded to server, which could've easily changed the time-format.

No, it suggests GMT -7 which is Pacific Daylight Time.

It appears to be UTC-7....

Edit: Oh, right. Forgot about daylight saving's.

Yes, PT = Portugal.

Noahs been doing some detective work in the other thread, testing both images that were resized automatically and those that werent, resulting in:

No, not mountain time zone.

Pacific time zone is either UTC-8 or UTC-7 depending on whether it is currently daylight saving time or not. That pic was from May, when Pacific time was UTC-7.

See, e.g., http://www.timeanddate.com/worldcloc...nge.html?n=127.

If you look at the time on the laptop that would support the idea that Jose took the shot and mailed it to somewhere in PDT zone from where it was uploaded to imageshack.

8 hour difference between the screenshot and upload?

so basically both pics have a pacific timestamp then

These stamps are referring to creation of the image

The most important info is the 788 hands difference for ProPlayer66 and win/losses that doesn't match at all.

How can you not spot this as a backer if you're not tied up with your horse's mess ?

So the inference we are asked to make here is that Dog Is Head was unable to play on Euro sites between Black Friday and playing on Macedo's Lock account, but then did play on Eursites afterwards.

Ok.. here's the thing. The image metadata on the opponents picture is in pacific daylight time, UTC-7, e.g. the pacific coast's time zone during the summer. The clock is at UTC+1, which is portugal's time zone during the summer, and the computer has portuguese settings in general. There's about a minute between when the image was taken and the saving of the image.

So, either the image metadata is wrong, the time on the computer was changed between the taking of the screenshot and the saving of the image, or the image was taken on one computer but saved on another.

can we maybe lock this thread and start a new thread only for people who are HSNL regulars? ban and delete posts of anyone who doesn't adhere to the rule, and i also promise not to post any funny pictures.

it sucks because there's a lot of good investigative work being done by unknowns with 200 posts, but at the same time there's far too much quoting of enormous posts and the same angry nonsense being regurgitated. if i want to read that i'll go open up the NVG thread.

HSNL mods (if any are around) should just start modding this thread very aggressively. An official rule that only HSNLers should post here is lame, but a "We'll delete your post if it looks stupid to us, and you'll get a warning not to post here again" rule seems like a good idea.

Since it seems mildly important now and like I'm heading this theory, here's my somewhat long version of everything that I saw for full context and to clarify myself. I just checked text messages to get the date and times.

On the evening of July 1 I was playing 1/3 at one of the front tables of the Aria room (near the poker room entrance). At about 5am a group of 6ish really, really drunk Portuguese people come in the room straight out of a club and want to play lowstakes while hammered. My table had 3 open spots so the guy just put the ones that wanted to play at my table while the rest of the group watched and laughed/commented from 4 feet off the table.

These guys were all being obnoxiously rude (even by really, really drunk standards) and condescending towards the table. After 20 minutes it becomes obvious that they're highstakes players (they made it very well known).

After about 60 minutes of playing with these drunk guys and their crew hanging around my table a new, somewhat short guy joins and is standing there talking to them just in a plain tee shirt (they were all wearing button-downs). I notice because one of the guys at my table nods toward the other basically saying "Hey, look who showed up." toward Jose. The Portuguese Prodigy thread had already been going on for a while so I knew what he looked like and I recognized him right away and just thought that he must have came out to Vegas to meet up with some of the people he knew from HS and possibly to play some underage poker. (I did not come up with this connect-the-dots theory given the current situation just because it seems to fit. I legitimately had thought that it was him that I saw at the Aria since then.)

The only times I saw him he was either chatting with the group of Portuguese people or walking around on a cell phone. I did not see him play any poker. I did not speak with him.

Some people are saying some stuff conflicting with what I'm writing:

This may be true, and the guys who were at my table that I chatted with talked like they had been staying there for at least a short while playing the 10/20 and 25/50 cash games. One of the guys told me his name and I still remember if it's needed.

If you add together a) him showing up late while being sober and in a tee when everyone else was hammered and dressed nicely (I think it's hard to get into clubs even with a fake) with b) him associating with a large group of Portuguese people and c) me recognizing him quickly, I think it's very, very likely it was him and still stand by what I saw.

sigh stuff like this makes me hate ppl like jose sosososos much, the HS poker world is filled with a lot of stand up people, the overwhelming majority of whom have gotten there on their own merits.

Bit of experimenting leads me to believe it's this - but not sure as OSX just dumps a PNG on the desktop when you take the screenshot. There's no secondary program to save the file.

I will now stop posting - just can't face the NVG thread...

It's imageshack. Imageshack sets the time zone to PST if there's a time already and it has to resize. I didn't notice this before because I was testing it with images without a metadata timestamp, and imageshack apparently leaves them alone in this case.

Edit: Just to be perfectly clear, all the timestamp stuff means nothing because imageshack screws with the timestamp.

Hmmm...just so you know i've talked to some of the portuguese hsnl players (there is a long thread about José scam in the portuguese poker forum) and they say they never had any kind of contact with José. I'll pm you some links to the facebooks of the hsnl portuguese players that i know of and you tell me if they were there in that night, ok?

Some Portuguese guy posted that "Gira" means, if I recall correctly, "cool". The addition of a "h" is used in slang/text language and emphasizes the accent. Haseeb christening him "Girah" in reference to a now obsolete form of measurement in India and Pakistan is one of the most absurd conspiracy theories so far.

Gira/o doesn't mean cool, it means beautiful.

According to portuguese players that were in Vegas in July, José was never there, u probably confused him with someone else.

So no one in this thread wants to step up and say they traded with Girah and what accounts they traded with? I'd be very surprised if someone being vouched for by Jungleman wasn't able to pull off a trade. Seems to me like this would be a good way of getting some info on Girah's other accounts.

-BD

Think about the phrase "Eh gira" ??? People in the Lisbon area do commmonly use the word "gira" when they mean that something is cool/good/fun/...

(G., maybe we should take discussion of PT slang, Cascais property prices etc to the NVG thread, so as not to clutter this one? )