Actually, all that's been confirmed is that LookingForProdigy has the same IP as girah, and that Haseeb has played under girah's account, registered girahpoker.com, set Jose up for coaching and vouched for him, written scripts for him, etc etc.

As to who actually posted under LookingForProdigy, it could be Jose, but it still very well could be Haseeb also. Haseeb is also still avoiding answering the question of whether he ever posted under girah for Jose.

you guys are all aware of this right?

[8/4/2011 1:11:21 AM] josé maria macedo: its my friend, and so is angel8000
[8/4/2011 1:11:26 AM] josé maria macedo: let me get all his acc names
[8/4/2011 1:12:10 AM] Nick Frame: ok.
[8/4/2011 1:12:16 AM] Nick Frame: thanks for your honesty.
[8/4/2011 1:12:44 AM] josé maria macedo: he is also soengazi484 on prima

Jose also mentioned his "friends" name to me, which we have left out for obv reasons. But I will say this, I looked on Jose's facebook today (we're friends) and his "friend" posted "Even a mistake may turn out to be the one thing necessary to a worthwhile achievement. HF" Quite odd for someone involved in this for them to just write something like that on Jose's wall, especially when people are blasting **** all over it. And, the comment he posted is now deleted.

Based on this, my general gut feeling, and Jose being a lying SOB, I really dont buy the friend story. But obv this is just a guess.

This is atrocious, absolutely ****ed up.
And for those of you that knew the guy and are thinking that everybody could make a mistake, well this is no mistake, this is a crime, and as such it should be punished..

2011 definetly a sad year for online poker..

Thank you for this further confirmation - I've already scratched this player off the likely list of Girah accounts.

Does any one know if ipoker reps have commented on this and if they are cooperating/investigating any of this?

Haseeb's gone a whole day without answering some questions so let's rehash:

1) Haseeb have you posted under girah or LookingForProdigy or any other name other than your own on 2p2 to pump up Jose Macedo?

2) Haseeb have you played more than once on any of Jose's accounts on any network? If the answer is yes, on which site, against whom?

3) Haseeb please detail how much $$$ you've made from Jose Macedo from the following activities: staking him, setting him up for coaching, playing under accounts other than your own, etc etc? This is important because both Jose's actual bankroll and your own have been called under question by a ton of people.

4) Why were you still comfortable moving in with Jose after apparently discovering that he's a cheating scumbag, as long as it doesn't get out in the public in your own words? The "big brother/papa bear" excuse doesn't wash, since it's your whole name at risk living with a confirmed cheater and you would've known that. Since jungleman is not answering as well, why was jungleman also comfortable with moving in with this cheater?

5) Did you, or did you not, have any idea that multiple accounts were being used by Jose? Did you, or did you not, actually use some of these accounts yourself?

These questions will continue to be posted until you answer them to hsnl's satisfaction. Look at sauce123 and how fast he answers questions put to him, that is why he comes across as innocent while you're not, because you are the one in the line of fire and yet instead of addressing issues you take your time to come up with rambled responses that don't answer everything.

It's becoming increasingly obvious that much of girah's story and results have been fabricated.. but I just thought I'd mention that I always felt like something was a little bit off when I learned about girah through the original 2p2 thread as well as watching one of the pokerroad interviews.. It just seemed like everything was too planned as far as giving precise details for things like exactly how he got good, how he built his roll, etcetc.. things that people often don't get so detailed about.. nor do they seem to almost as much as go out of their way to steer conversation there. I don't know it just felt a tad staged and I guess it's my results-based side of my brain saying this now.. I just chalked it up to him being young and maybe a bit naive at the time and maybe a bit from language/culture differences.. but it just always felt off.

I guess it's pretty plausible that everything kind of unraveled on a timeline and eventually girah realized he had incentive to enter the spotlight so to say.. but the conspiracy theorist in me is curious if it's possible that things were planned further in advance and possibly planned by more than just a 17yo kid from Portugal.

in fairness to dog it is 5am in london right now

meh those were pretty good qs imo. you can't really expect him to answer the money question however.

3.) aria 5/10 ive been told ^ "he was aria 5/10 reg this summer"

Theres no way DiH can be sleeping with all this going on unless he is blacked out. Hes prolly typing out a second edition laced with commas as I type this.

doesn't support the 'we have been playing online at the same time countless times'.

HQ is clearly grinding internet poker over many sites. So is JM. What do you really think these guys are doing all day man?

fwiw, the CR7sete guy is not girah, so we can end that discussion

Circumstantial evidence certainly points to both Haseeb and jungleman playing online post-Black Friday, probably via VPN. Now that's not our concern, the concern is, just exactly what accounts they were using to play during this time. Their own accounts, accounts belonging to Jose Macedo, or his imaginary "friend" etc etc? Note also Haseeb was the guy caught for playing under Jose's account which got Jose banned on OnGame.

So it makes perfect sense that they decided, OK, let's not risk our money with this VPN or different-IP-from-Jose stuff that could lead to account suspension.... let's just all move in together whether it be in Vancouver(which was the plan until jungleman was denied entry), or Portugal so the IP issue is resolved. All these signnames are now popping up, some of them confirmed to be part of the scam and some not of course, but there's just wayyyy too many signnames and victims and IP issues and account suspensions for there not to be some kind of greater plan that is not yet confessed to.

That's what makes the most sense, and until Haseeb addresses questions I posted above to our satisfaction, we can only conclude that that is a very possible scenario. So where did this all go wrong? It went wrong when Jose Macedo decided that he was going to bring the masterplan forward himself, because before jungleman and Haseeb arrive, he could pocket 100% of the scammed money, as opposed to when they arrive in the house where he has to share.

Another possibility is that there are more parties to this whole thing. Maybe Jose does have friends who don't even play poker, but lend their names and IDs to allowing for signname creation and in exchange get a cut of the scammed profits. These signnames are then shared between parties in the scheme. That also fits with the pattern right now of Jose and Haseeb sharing their accounts with each other which has been proven true as confessed by them. Now if they shared passwords of their own accounts, why would they not also share passwords of other accounts that they think would be untraceable, ie. accounts belonging to the names of Jose's friends?

I asked this earlier in the thread and got no responses.

I am in no way defending Jose. I am just curious. What is the crime? They voluntarily allowed him to see their cards. What can the police charge him with? Fraud? If you can see someone cards in a casino is that Fraud? Yes, if he hacked computers and the victims did not know. That is fraud. Im just not sure what law was broken so that charges could be filed.

i don't really think this is the case. If it was, Haseeb could always just move on Jose. It seems pretty unlikely Jungleman is involved beyond staking and perhaps playing on euro accounts registered through Jose (Haseeb brought him in and these are both reasonable enough things).

How deep Haseeb is involved, its hard to say because he is obviously manipulating everyone involved.

I really find it really hard to believe Joses hands aren't fabricated. If thats the case, i find it hard to believe Haseeb didn't know this. I find it easy to believe he would write "I STAND BY THAT" if they were fabricated though. I'd like to see more than some hhs. If someone could get this DB, that would shed a tonne of light on the situation. It sounds like Jose still has his DB. I'm sure that'll never come out but i see that as a sin of omission.

I agree that whatever Haseeb was up (it could range from 'a little scummy' to 'full on bernie madoff' levels at this point) to it was ruined when Jose went rogue, and that is why he is so angry. I think Jungleman is equally pissed off because he knows he's going to get lumped into this, he is pretty aware that Haseeb was pumping up Jose (and that sounds like it bothered him because Jose couldn't back it up) etc. The fact of the matter is he is still moving in with Haseeb though, so i really don't know whats going on there. If i'm Jungleman i am definitely in full possession of the truth at this point if i'm living with Haseeb (eg 'if you don't get Jose to show me the DB i am moving out').

I would like to hear answers to the same questions you mentioned.

I'd also like Jungleman to start talking about the situation in more detail, because it seems extremely likely that someone is up to something and this is his chance to avoid being implicated if he is innocent.

Someone also mentioned allowing someone to teamviewer HQs skype history which he obviously keeps. I don't know if you can simply delete specific parts of Skype history but he clearly stores it, so that would certainly aid in clearing his name if that works.

I can confirm pretty much 100% that the girahh account on Merge is the same person as Jose Maria Macedo on skype. I obtained his skype through chatting with him at the Merge tables (in a 400nl game).

played a lot of 5/10 and 10/20 this summer at aria as well, and haseeb def a regular in the games. some random things i thought weird: he didnt buy in full at 5/10, he never played 10/20 (even though the games were much better than their 5/10 counterparts), and he played real tight/nitty in general. all 3 of those things were not something i'd expect out of a former nosebleed player with a healthy bankroll.

Decent NVG cliffs of the Girah saga from rise to fame to scam. Looking at it at 20,000 feet, the initial 'beast' posts inLookingForProdigy thread seem even dodgier

have any of his other 'students'/poker friends spoken out yet besides those in the skype group? i find it very hard to believe he wasn't scamming/tv superusing anyone else that he supposedly coached (including 6max games)

...I know it sounds a little negative to put light on this, but does anyone think it is a little bit naive to let people that you have never really met sweat you using TV while also trying to get you to sit down with a nonreg and play highstakes HU?

...Also, DIH considers Jose to be like a little brother, but also admits to have never really met the kid? (sounds if not fishy, atleast very douche)

Did anyone else think wtf when you heard him say,

"I'm a 2+2er at heart" - when he pushed that message like he was so proud of being a 2+2er

Don't know how else to say this, but 2+2 is full of haters/ bitter nits, so I can't imagine anyone being so proud of being a 2+2 er at heart, obv publicity stunt

but 2+2 does know how to uncover some $hit

I mean. I just went back through the original thread and A LOT of people, including me, saw through this ftom the beginning.

Just read the first 5 or 6 pages from March.

DIH posts right away.

Later he says he helped him with editing his post, even after people are defending him saying his english is perfect. There are many writing samples where jose is writing perfect english, a la Haseeb. People in the original thread pointed out this obvious contradiction right away, including me.

I also find it funny that imfrimsweden was one of the first people in that thread to vouchfor jose and hes still defending haseeb in this thread.

Either imfromsweden was haseeb/jose's main target, or hes been in on it from the get go.

This is so easy to sniff out. I posted in the original thread and called bull**** in march, never doubted i was right, then a few days ago i heard about the scandle.

Now it all makes sense. Haseeb was behind this from the get go.

I just posted this in NVG, figured I might as well post it here too:

I am the owner of a forum that uses VBulliten software, the same software 2+2 uses. Not only can you eneter a username and see all IP addresses a given poster has ever used, you can also enter an address and see all posters that have ever used the same address.

What I would suggest is that all addresses ever used by the Girah, DOG IS HEAD and jungleman12 accounts be tested to see if any other ghost accounts show up other than the one we already know about (LookingForProdigy).

In particular, if ghost accounts show up for DOG IS HEAD or jungleman12 then I think that would be potentially good evidence in figuring out their roles in this saga.

A few other random pieces of information I can add (however I'd say they are likely rather insignificant):

I asked girah for his advice on a number of HU hands, of which he dodged answering, doing things like making excuses about being tired, etc--(I can understand not wanting to bother with anyone that messaged him questions, but in the light of things, if he actually couldn't answer for fear of coming off as a poor thinker it might make sense as well).

I tried to set up a 4 table HU match against him at 5/10, and he knew specifically that I did not want to play any higher, he avoided the issue for a while, and when I pressed him, he pushed to get me to play him at 10/20.

Of my interactions with Haseeb, he tried to offer me the 500/hr exercise bike coaching, though in the process did happen to spend ~3 hours chatting with me over skype mostly asking a lot of personal questions which I was kinda surprised by. I couldn't really understand why he would charge 500/hr for poker coaching but would freely give me 3 hours of his time chatting in skype. Seemed like a nice thing for him to do, but at this point I obviously am heavily questioning his overall ethics. I know he is a highly intelligent person and that he himself knows this, so I wouldn't be surprised if he actually thought he was smart enough to pull a scam off like completely fabricating this entire girah persona right in front of the public eye.