If this is really important I can look through the skype logs again. All I did was scroll through the zillions of pages of conversation I had had with Jose in the past year and pick out spots where I saw HH files. Most of them if I remember correctly were just HH dumped into skype with questions at the bottom, which obviously doesn't specify who played the hand. He also would ask about hands I or Jungle or other high stakes players had played. I thought the info might be helpful as it might lead to finding some of Jose's accounts if he did in fact have other accounts.

i hate all that stuff and i do consider it cheating but for the sake of this argument i was talking about "hard" cheating, theft, gaming control issues.

it's pretty obvious this is the case. i managed to find some chat logs of when i first spoke to jose a year or so ago. he had apparently read all of my 2+2 posts. when i asked him how he got my skype, he mentioned he has files on all the major posters of 2+2, and all there theories and has been studying them relentlessly (which seemed harmless to me). he said hes going to add each well known poster in 2+2 on skype/aim until they speak to him so he can improve.. althought i thought he had good intentions i still ended up blocking him when he started asking me what i thought of specific regs i played with on ipoker...

at the time he said he just started playing 5/10 on ipoker (which i was at the time) but wouldnt tell me his screen name.

so sauce, how much coaching did u do with "the prodigy"?

also, some examples of jose trying to get more people to scam (bigguylegend is the person that came 2nd in the lock poker challenge, but was awarded the win when jose was dq'ed):

[11-08-08 6:37:20 PM] ivien: do you have chat logs of him trying to sweat you?
[11-08-08 6:37:29 PM] ivien: did he talk about any "aggro fishes"?
[11-08-08 6:37:39 PM] bigguylegend: yeah
[11-08-08 6:37:45 PM] bigguylegend: he was trying to sweat me every day for the past month

I have a lot of thoughts about this but will comment later on it. One thing that might just be another speculation but could be of further importance: I heard that Patrik Antonius and a German friend of mine got scammed by a player who portrayed himself as Christiano Ronaldo. Location was Portugal as well. I think that was within the past half year and that guy disappeared. Maybe just a weird coincidence but just wanted to throw it in as there could be a connection.

One more thing, Jose encouraged me to put money onto Ongamenet or Ipoker and it's pretty obvious I was another target. Also keep in mind that he had 50+ students waiting (his words), so if he throws a few of them against some of these " bad regs that you should try out " he could easily make decent 6 figure winnings, taking small bites at a time. It's hard to tell weather he only took 45k+ whatever he stole in coaching hours + made them play against himself. He could very well have done other stuff before... I even have some really bad thoughts about what would have happened if Dog and Jungle would have stayed there and built further trust with him...

I can also verify that I spoke a total of maybe 2 hours over skype via phone with Jose and it was exactly the same voice as in these Pokerstatic /Pokerstrategy Interviews.
He also seemed smart and was able to phrase theoretical Concepts on the go, so it was not like he was reading from a Paper or so. I think he might not be a winner in Poker or anywhere the Poker player he portrait but he at least had a decent understanding of how to sound educated in poker.

I dunno all his Screennames but just for laughts: IfOnlYouKnew, Sauron (as in Lord of the Rings, the eye that sees everything) and Dollarman.. I mean thats just a sick humor.

Right... so bad English means it was Haseeb because " the typos in this post were so lol-obvious made by someone with good english writing intentionally trying to come across as bad"

Good English - also Haseeb (how could 18yo from Portugal write so good???)

I guess if poster's english was completely average and unremarkable it would also have been interpreted as an evidence of Haseeb's involvement ("if he used too good or too bad english it would have been too obvious, so he chose the 'average' option")

Get a grip people!
Too many of you have judged him guilty and now any new piece of information is being used as confirming evidence of your preconceived
theories, and disconfirming evidence is dismissed or ignored (or maybe even treaded as supporting one).

well if it is girah under the eduduplo account then its active and online now....

its haseeb tho.

I've read through this thread to read the HSNL talk about the Girah situation and a few HS regs wanted advice on how to secure their PC with a few simple steps I can give you.

1) Do a clean install of your OS
2) Install VMWare and create an image that you will use to play with.
3) Install your postgres database on the host OS or guest OS. Installing to the host OS would allow you to share it more easily without having to run the Guest to connect from other guests
4) Run PT/HEM from the Client and connect it to the host IP/port
5) Never install any software on the client machine other than your poker tools
6) Backup and Restore to the same image after every restart (if you really want to be a nit) -- this will require postgres to be installed to the Host OS otherwise you'd lose your HH
7) Configure antivirus/firewalls on your Host and all guest OS. Symantec/BitDefender/ESET are usually always the top rated suites
8) Make sure you're not located in the DMZ of your router.
9) Additionally, you can purchase a hardware-based firewall to abstract that layer from your computer
10) You can go more advanced and run MacOS/Linux with VMWare to access Windows applications. I recommend this route with a PC configured with as much memory, the best quad core i7 cpu available, and SSD for maximum performance. Any HS reg should be able to afford this configuration.

If you want more preventative measures let me know but the best advice is to isolate functions to separate VM and share documents/files with the host OS but NEVER install anything on it.

This is false. Jungle is known for playing a fairly tight VPIP in the BB hu, something in the 40-55 range. The toshisan account played 72% BB VPIP over a 1200 hand sample of 25/50 hu (the highest stakes on the account and the ones most likely to be Jungleman). A 1200 hand sample is plenty large enough to be confident about BB VPIP numbers 25 points higher than Jungle's.

Note: this isn't strong evidence that Jungleman didn't play on the toshisan account, I'm just saying it isn't strong evidence that he did. Identical stats would be fairly important circumstantial evidence at this point.

A few things I've been thinking about...

First, judging by his desperation in his chat logs, asking not be outed, and saying that he'll just instantly quit poker and give it up forever. If he has the ability to make 1M+ from online poker at such a young age, it's impossible anyone would be willing to give this up for 30k.

Second, I find it pretty hilarious how vague JM was in his statement. Several months ago he posted how he was going to take Jose "Under his wing, turn him into a beast". Now he claims that he had a couple coaching sessions with him, and didn't really know the guy? How the hell do you not know if you coached him 2, 3, 5 times? AND, you've never met this 18 year old kid IRL, and you're about to pack up your life and move in with him? WTF is going on...

I remember jungleman saying he played with Christian Ronaldo as well a while back.. probably not relevant at all but thought I'd throw it out

Calling my skype chats with Jose "coaching" is a misleading characterization of my dealings with Jose. All I did was comment on HH and theory questions which I sent to Jose and Jose sent back to me via skype chat. At no time did I have any financial deal with Jose for this skype chatting. To call what I did "coaching" is just to acknowledge that Jose thought I was the better player and so was grateful for my advice (rightly or wrongly). Multiple times I strongly considered formally coaching Jose in exchange for a profit sharing deal, but each time decided against doing so. I chatted with Jose on skype for over a year and for many hours cumulatively.

on the other hand those stats don't look like haseebs either, jungleman is good enough to pull off any stats and would obv try to disguise himself in this manner.

agree this isn't that strong evidence though and worst case scenario isn't THAT bad relative to the whole jose thing anyway. who knows. it seems kind of likely though:

consider:

jungleman loves playing poker.
both him and haseeb have lived together, coach together, and stake jose together, 50/50.
haseeb has an account he created while he was in canada. jungleman doesn't.
jose played on haseebs account and sounds like he had the password. this kind of implies that to settle, he would simply leave the money in the account and it would be split between the two.

there are plenty of other ways this could work and it is basically impossible to prove anything. i just wouldn't be surprised given that jungleman can't play anywhere, has basically no life besides poker, his friend who stakes with him has a legit account, etc.

i will add that patrik antonius multiaccounted for this reason despite being a stand up guy. i don't think its hard to see jman doing same thing with such easy access to it.

basically can't be proved, and i regret bringing up the possibility because jungleman seems more interested in playing poker than all the tomfoolery surrounding it but "shrug".

"CR7sete" was the account that was rumored to be Christian Ronaldo

http://www.highstakesdb.com/1887-cri...ilt-poker.aspx

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...-2-plo-931623/

Jungleman vs Ronaldo PLO

This post made me think of this....

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...-2-plo-931623/

just save it 666. not the thread. not sure why you feel the need to keep derailing the thread when you've been asked not to 50 times.

That is me, here is the original hand history. Looks like he adjusted it from 44 to 55 for some reason.

***** Hand History for Game 2595848952 ***** (IPoker)
$5000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, January 15, 05:34:40 ET 2011
Table Kalmack (No DP 50 bb min) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: alfredo6921 ( $5000.00 USD )
Seat 3: y49537884 ( $5000.00 USD )
Seat 5: lolDublinPeople ( $5570.00 USD )
Seat 6: hasTHEblues ( $2500.00 USD )
Seat 8: samrostan ( $6095.00 USD )
Seat 10: shaxta4 ( $5525.00 USD )
samrostan posts small blind [$25.00 USD].
shaxta4 posts big blind [$50.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lolDublinPeople [ 4d 4c ]
alfredo6921 raises [$150.00 USD]
lolDublinPeople calls [$150.00 USD]
samrostan calls [$125.00 USD]
shaxta4 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, Qs, 4h ]
samrostan checks
alfredo6921 bets [$400.00 USD]
lolDublinPeople calls [$400.00 USD]
samrostan raises [$1400.00 USD]
alfredo6921 calls [$1000.00 USD]
lolDublinPeople raises [$5020.00 USD]
samrostan raises [$4545.00 USD]
alfredo6921 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3c ]
samrostan wins $13260.00 USD from main pot
samrostan shows [As, 7s ]

I haven't yet heard anyone in this thread mention the absurdity of a 45K deposit for a house, in Portugal.
Where they buying a house?
Were they renting and just paying it all up front? This doesn't seem to add up...


Here you have some links for houses to rent in Lisbon, Cascais.

http://remax.pt/121661014-241 - I don't think they need 6bedrooms but still only 3500€ in one of the most expensive places to live in Portugal.

http://remax.pt/120521073-349

http://remax.pt/120151075-133 - One of the most expensives, 8 bedrooms, 7k month.


I can't seem to make any sense of this deposit amount, but I've never rented a sick poker crib. What am I missing???

well, i just asked cause i saw a skype chat log where DIH was saying to another guy that u coached him...and jungle did it too...hold on a minute and i'll post the link...

well there you go:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1481

any thoughts?

So did JM just play him at $1/$2 to set up Antonius and whoever else so that they could play for higher stakes and then use this "Renaldo" account?

not sure how things work in Portugal but it's certainly plausible they were asked to pay a large portion of the rent upfront since they are professional gamblers, young and trying to rent a very expensive place with no verifiable job/income in the eyes of a landlord.

Pretty sure JM and Haseeb wouldn't be able to stay longer than 3 months in Portugal as US citizens, so that's 15k/month.

I had to pay 3 months in advance @ a place I rented (~10k) when I was younger even though I had good credit history/tax returns etc.

-Mike