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08-08-2011 , 07:14 PM
for too many years people have cheated or stolen money online just to continue on playing live with their in gotten gains. I would love to see the PPA pair up with the major poker series to be able to ban players across the board both online and live. How great would it be if someone broke serious rules then found themselves annexed from online poker, WSOP, EPT, WPT, LAPT, Aussie Millions etc. A sort of poker black book if you will.
08-08-2011 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BalugaWhale
Let me first say quickly that i'm incredibly uninvolved with any of this stuff.

the only party I want to comment on is Haseeb's assertion that he was just helping out Jose with writing and mentoring just for kicks, etc etc. In 2008 I approached Haseeb about writing the HU section of my book. He first said that he'd do it, and then he didn't really do anything and then he eventually backed out of the project and I replaced him. Keep in mind, this was a proposition in which he was likely to make a good deal of money, and he wasn't really motivated.

it just struck me as an odd thing that he was too lazy to work w/ me for money but not too lazy to just randomly help out jose with his stuff.

but again, im not really involved and that was my only interaction with Haseeb

just thought i'd throw it out as an incredibly minor character detail

Andrew

Haseeb contacted me out of the blue once to shoot the ****--he had wandered into some of my writing outside of the poker community and wanted to say what's up. We became friends, he let me occasionally sweat him playing HSNL, he asked me to proofread a blog post of his, and when I began working on a writing project on poker, he agreed to help me out, though the final payday would be very small. He was busy and hard to contact-- such is life with professional poker players-- but he eventually contributed a chunk of quality material months later.

This is a minor character detail, but I wanted to point out that he did help someone out with some writing, for almost no financial gain ($0 to this day!), nor a deep friendship. He was just being nice for the sake of being nice.
08-08-2011 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SecondChance
You vastly, vastly overestimate the intelligence of poker players.

Plenty of high stakes players have said incredibly dumb things, such as Deldar, ZeeJustin, Syous, 6633366, just to name a few....the list is a lot bigger, obviously.
Seriously what is it with you and just repeating everything you say? We've realized you drunk drive and think alot of high-stakes players are dumb, so if you for the love of god could shut the **** up about those two subjects that'd be just swell.
08-08-2011 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by aejones
he only had 5% of himself when he got 'hacked' as well
wow
08-08-2011 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Gazillion
Wow. Is there really any question now that this wasn't just some impulsive bad judgement from a stupid kid, and was in reality a pre meditated scam from the outset?

LookingForProdigy's posting history
Agreed this is looking worse and worse, and the (mostly) silence from DIH is really, really bad.

Last edited by SGT RJ; 08-08-2011 at 07:24 PM. Reason: Dammit, wrong thread, sorry guys. Still.
08-08-2011 , 07:20 PM
Wait sauce so did jose just want input on your thoughts on the hand or was he claiming that those hands were played by him? I can't tell whether your disclaimer is saying that you can't verify that jose really is playing on those screen names or whether it's saying that jose never claimed those hands were played by him. Also it looks like a few hands were converted so it would make sense that the unconverted hands were unconverted because he was sending them from other people no?
08-08-2011 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tagWAG
LookingForProdigy aka Girah:

""Aperently unlike isildur the kid has some br management and like isi insane HU and 6m skills, since i did some research and talked to some ipoker betfair regs i know who all claim to have seen a portuguese kid with always different names""

So Girah admits himself to being a Betfair reg but there is zero Betfair $500 nl in Dog's fictional stats pic for him.

Go figure.....
Now that you mentioned it i've noticed he is up on all stakes he played.
He included 3 hands from £100/200 where he is up.
Why are euro/GBP stakes for 10/20 and lower missing from this graph?

I think he simply deleted (filtered out) all stakes where he was down to make his SS look better.
Maybe 2/5 on betfair was one of them?
08-08-2011 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ike
Eh, if that's the most you can afford to take and it's a good spot, it's as good a use of your time as playing 5% the stakes with all your own action and a nice favor to your backer(s).

I've played very big games with as little as 10% of myself before.
So playing isildur1 at 100/200 with 5% of yourself is a higher hourly than playing 5/10 with 100% of yourself?

I could see some scenarios where playign with a low% of yourself at nosebleeds(would have to be higher than 100/200 imo) would be marginally better than playing lower, but here it just doesnt make sense. Seems more likely he took advantage of a naive/trusting person with a lot of money to be able to play high vs a v good player, which would have side benefits to his coaching/agenet/marketing business plan, along with giving him close to a freeroll during his match
08-08-2011 , 07:27 PM
The simple fact that Haseeb somehow had 300k to burn in a prop bet was very surprising to me at the time that bet made news, and I guess less surprising now..
08-08-2011 , 07:27 PM
His mom obviously needs to spank him.

f'n ridiculous stuff.. but not overly surprised > tons of POS on the tables
08-08-2011 , 07:28 PM
Joses words obviously mean nothing, but several months ago I asked him about the house in Hawaii and he said he never bought it. I don't remember exactly what he said but think it was something to the effect of "the deal fell through".

Also,

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Originally Posted by DOG IS HEAD
5. We were not going to take his action in these 25/50 give back 1bb/100 matches, in fact we strongly discouraged them because we thought they were ridiculous. AFAIK he never took one except against bigguylegend, who refused to play him after a few sessions because he thought Jose was very good.

is not accurate:

[11-08-08 7:46:04 PM] bigguylegend: 4 tabling atm so gimme a sec
[11-08-08 8:05:38 PM] bigguylegend: no i wanted to 4 table him and he never got around to it
[11-08-08 8:05:54 PM] bigguylegend: first he offered 3bbs and i snap took it
[11-08-08 8:06:19 PM] bigguylegend: and he was always busy after that
08-08-2011 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by d2themfi
So playing isildur1 at 100/200 with 5% of yourself is a higher hourly than playing 5/10 with 100% of yourself?

I could see some scenarios where playign with a low% of yourself at nosebleeds(would have to be higher than 100/200 imo) would be marginally better than playing lower, but here it just doesnt make sense. Seems more likely he took advantage of a naive/trusting person with a lot of money to be able to play high vs a v good player, which would have side benefits to his coaching/agenet/marketing business plan, along with giving him close to a freeroll during his match
When he played Isildur it was around October 2009 I believe and it was right when Isildur was arriving on the FTP scene. There wasn't really much of a reason to suspect that whoever was playing the Isildur account was any good at poker and wasn't just a huge degen running up an account.

Not trying to argue one way or the other but just wanted to clarify that.
08-08-2011 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kjemmy
Seriously what is it with you and just repeating everything you say? We've realized you drunk drive and think alot of high-stakes players are dumb, so if you for the love of god could shut the **** up about those two subjects that'd be just swell.
I repeat it because the same point keeps being brought up, and this is the logical response to it
08-08-2011 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tdomeski
When he played Isildur it was around October 2009 I believe and it was right when Isildur was arriving on the FTP scene. There wasn't really much of a reason to suspect that whoever was playing the Isildur account was any good at poker and wasn't just a huge degen running up an account.

Not trying to argue one way or the other but just wanted to clarify that.
kk, lends a bit more credence (or if they had played PLO that would make a lot more sense as well). But still, you see my point generally

edit: not that its particularly damning, but everything thats coming out plus my own impressions of the guy just make me think he would be willing to take advantage of people who are "easy marks" like jm and ashman def are, to further his own persona within the poker world (and thus his own wealth/success)
08-08-2011 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gakn29
for too many years people have cheated or stolen money online just to continue on playing live with their in gotten gains. I would love to see the PPA pair up with the major poker series to be able to ban players across the board both online and live. How great would it be if someone broke serious rules then found themselves annexed from online poker, WSOP, EPT, WPT, LAPT, Aussie Millions etc. A sort of poker black book if you will.
+1
These people get caught cheating, multi-accounting, and screwing people out of tons of money (for some their life savings), only to win the next big tournament, and then everyone forgets they are huge degens a year later. Once you get caught multi-accounting (and creating huge stories to set up your HU games) you should be banned from internet poker.
08-08-2011 , 07:34 PM
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[11-08-08 7:46:04 PM] bigguylegend: 4 tabling atm so gimme a sec
[11-08-08 8:05:38 PM] bigguylegend: no i wanted to 4 table him and he never got around to it
[11-08-08 8:05:54 PM] bigguylegend: first he offered 3bbs and i snap took it
[11-08-08 8:06:19 PM] bigguylegend: and he was always busy after that
is that skype ? i dont know how many skype he has but i have him under his real name...
08-08-2011 , 07:35 PM
For some reason I thought his ongame sn was eduduplo. Plommonstlyl and Basshunter are also higher stakes ongame regs, but prob not him.
08-08-2011 , 07:36 PM
LookingForProdigy's OP:

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Hi i recently got back into poker after big downswong(omg plo) and got some coaching from someone(wont reveal name - well known coach with rate over 300/hr, posts on 2p2) who told me he had coached a 16 yrs old portugal kid who had deposit 30 euros isildur style and ran it up to 2.5 million in a year, he sayd he was genius smart and fearless and went quick past his coaching to high limits(at the time of coaching he was playing 5-10nl and 10-20nl)

Aperently unlike isildur the kid has some br management and like isi insane HU and 6m skills, since i did some research and talked to some ipoker betfair regs i know who all claim to have seen a portuguese kid with always different names going round on the sites owning absolutely every1(many of these regs told me he was super bad and spewy and they dont believe he won so much money, thats why im posting here). also many ppl told me diffrent acs of his and he multi accs a lot also, i herd this is one http://www.pokertableratings.com/ipo...search/oovoo99 (not sure if this is true)

also managed to track down a friend of him who he had coachd who told me he is still under 18 and lives with his mom and more important, has acc on 2P2!! And also knows a lot of the america high stakes comunity. friend also said reason noone knows he is because of portugese tax reasons and his underaged status

So wat bettr place to go than 2p2. i am offering 200 usd to anyone tht has more relveant info(usernames and/or the contact info of this kid). if you have reputation and many vouches i will send 1/2 first on ftp or stars and 1/2 after u give me info. if not i send everything after i see how good info is, u have nothing to lose tho. PM me.

anyways, u guys think this is true or possible, any of u herd about such a legend? discuss

mods if this is not alowed or in the wrong place plz move. ty
The bolded parts, sound eerily like Haseeb speaking of himself... while posting under LookingForProdigy. At the time girah was unknown so if Jose was to create publicity for himself why would he bring attention to his backers unnecessarily as well? It makes more sense that Haseeb wrote this post.

Also the typos in this post were so lol-obvious made by someone with good english writing intentionally trying to come across as bad.. so who wrote this post, Jose or Haseeb? As we know, in the following months Haseeb vouched for girah, staked him, registered girahpoker.com, set him up for coaching which Jose used to scam, and played under girah's account and got caught. So it makes a lot of sense that Haseeb started all of this by posting under LFP to create interest for the upcoming girah sensation he would then unleash.

Note also that LFP referred to this prodigy as "kid"... if Jose wrote this, what 17yo, 18yo would call themselves "kid"? It is THE word that every 18yo in the world hates to be called. Haseeb, on the other hand, calls Jose "kid" a million times in every post he makes, calls himself the "big brother" etc etc.
08-08-2011 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Alexos
For some reason I thought his ongame sn was eduduplo.
This was one of the names that the LookingForProdigy account claimed was Girah. Looking at the PTR for that account it is clear it belongs to a winning HU specialist. I always thought Girah was supposed to be a 6max specialist.
08-08-2011 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by rollthadice4
+1
These people get caught cheating, multi-accounting, and screwing people out of tons of money (for some their life savings), only to win the next big tournament, and then everyone forgets they are huge degens a year later. Once you get caught multi-accounting (and creating huge stories to set up your HU games) you should be banned from internet poker.
when its licensed and regulated in the US i suspect this is how it things will work. there is absolutely no way you could cheat a wynn poker game, get caught, and then be allowed in any poker room on the strip. you would end up in the griffin black book. the same will go for their online poker rooms.
08-08-2011 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nlwolf
Now that you mentioned it i've noticed he is up on all stakes he played.
He included 3 hands from £100/200 where he is up.
Why are euro/GBP stakes for 10/20 and lower missing from this graph?

I think he simply deleted (filtered out) all stakes where he was down to make his SS look better.
Maybe 2/5 on betfair was one of them?
I wouldn't be surprised if he filtered out every BB position as well or did something similar to show solid winrates while actually having played break-even.
08-08-2011 , 07:39 PM
We're in the process of discussing whether Jose brought up theories he'd gotten directly from others or just heard of and said they were his own. So far we're not sure whether he's taken hands we've discussed on our own, sent them to sauce/jungle then changed the hh's slightly and basically copied what sauce/jungle has said. Seems like he's also brought up a theory Kotkis (who's had no contact whatsoever with Jose - I know Kotkis very well but have never mentioned the theory to Jose) came up with about HU play and made it look like his own to another high-stakes player.

Will get back to you on this.
08-08-2011 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Zacharrrr
is that skype ? i dont know how many skype he has but i have him under his real name...
I do too but I'm not outing his real name on 2p2. Ask him on Skype if you want to verify.
08-08-2011 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by alexeimartov
The Toshisan is almost certainly being played on by Jungleman also fwiw.
this was exactly my thoughts when I saw the stats on that PTR. So close to jungles its stupid
08-08-2011 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
when its licensed and regulated in the US i suspect this is how it things will work. there is absolutely no way you could cheat a wynn poker game, get caught, and then be allowed in any poker room on the strip. you would end up in the griffin black book. the same will go for their online poker rooms.
o rly, the main event satellites were cheatfests, tons of higher cash games in vegas, commerce, macau have people swapping action and strategy while sitting at the table with 1 or 2 big rich fish.. maybe you dont consider that cheating but a lot of people do. floormen call regs all the time to let them know a big whale has just sat so regs who share action even, will come and skip over waiting list allowed by the same floorman so they end up at the same table as the fish. the list goes on and on..

      
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