edit: NVM. replies come in quick lol.

WHAT!?

JFC, how was that not checked when the forum was blowing up about whether or not his results were real???? There was clearly a huge brouhaha about this back then.

lol i know plommonsylt and he is a swede.

PLEASE LOOK AT THE VERY VERY SIMILAR WRITING STYLES AND CADENCES HERE.

Originally Posted by DOG IS HEAD View Post
Hey guys,

This whole situation has come as a huge surprise to all of us who've been supporting Jose. No one ever imagined he could do something like this, and honestly I still have difficulty understanding his motives. We've been traveling to Europe (Jungle and I have been in Gibraltar for the last few days) and as such, I had to be very brief, with having to wade through all of the commotion in what's happened from every end. Since Jungle and I decided that we no longer can be with Jose after the way he's betrayed our trust, we have changed our plans from Portugal and are now trying to sort out another place to live within Europe. This whole situation is a huge cluster**** to say the least.

Right now it's very difficult for me to spend a lot of time on 2p2, but as I've heard that the rumors and speculation are running rampant, I will say this and I will say it as emphatically and clearly as I can. None of us who supported Jose had any idea about any of this. None of us. We supported Jose and believed in him singlemindedly, I will admit that. I personally had a very strong relationship with the kid. I don't know why, but none of us who believed in him ever imagined he had it in him to be so greedy and dishonest to do something like this. Clearly, we were wrong, and as was I to place our faith in him. What he did was really ****ed up and inexcusable. I may be able to write more once Jungle and I secure a place to live and lay our heads, but for the moment we are very all over the place. But for everyone who thinks that there is some huge conspiracy or that Jose is a puppet for some high stakes scamming ring - get a ****ing grip, ffs.

Suffice it to say, the OP speaks for itself. I wish the best to all of the victims in dealing with this.

Haseeb

AND JOSE'S ORIGINAL APOLOGY:

A while ago, I did something stupid. A friend of mine, who I introduced to poker, made a suggestion to me which was, I'm not going to sugar coat it, cheating. I had introduced this friend to poker and he was losing money, badly. He asked to play some of my poker friends and said why don't you sweat them and we'll see their hands. I don't know why I agreed. I don't know why I did it. I guess it was a mixture of guilt and stupidity and feeling ****ty for getting him involved in something which seemed to be bad for him.

This went on for a short while but I felt so bad, I had to say something. I confessed. I told the guys involved what I had done, I told my friends and the people who I respect and who respected me.

I told my Mum, confessed everything to her. I could see the disappointment moving across her face as she told me she was not proud of me despite all my success in poker; she was not proud of her son. She said how she hadn't raised me this way and what had poker done to me. Thats when it hit me, how badly I had let people down. I felt ashamed, I had no explanation; explanations don't cut it in situations like this and often come across as excuses.

There is a quote on the wall in my school which I always see as I pass the nurse's office. It says that the real mistake is not tripping up, but staying down. I thought of that and that's why I'm writing this.

I'm holding my hands up and taking whatever consequences come. I realise the severity of this, but I also realise that I have to take responsibility for my actions and so I'm paying back everyone involved and in addition paying them compensation of $30,000. I've also told my sponsor etc and whatever happens there I will take the consequences too. They have been really amazing to me and I've enjoyed every minute of working with them. Representing Lock and being part of their amazing team, witnessing the incredible growth, was a pleasure and an honor.

I'm young, I made a mistake and I hope that this doesn't define me; I hope that how I deal with this and move forward is the thing that does. And people will say I have no excuse and I know and understand that. I agree. I just want to let everyone know, I'm sorry. I apologise to the guys who lost their money, the people who I love and care about and I have disappointed and the guys in the poker world who have supported me for letting them down. I wish Ish I had something to say to you all, to say to my parents and my friends and all of those who thought I could do no wrong.

Again I'm really sorry.

I've read A LOT of Haseeb's blogs and his writing style is very dramatic. He has a very particular way of painting a picture and a story using comma's profusely. MOST PEOPLE DO NOT WRITE LIKE THIS. ESPECIALLY 18 YEAR OLD KIDS FROM PORTUGAL.

I'm a musician, and my mom is a professional writer. There's just something very eerie about the similarity of cadence and rhythm in both of their writing. To me, it seems like Haseeb is trying to dumb it down, but he can't hide his natural rhythm and the way he naturally gathers thoughts.

I've been to Portugal, English is not as prevalent as it is in other Euro countries or Brazil. This bothered me from the get go. Going back to the first time I read Jose's original postings on 2+2.

It's very possible Haseeb could be working with another person, probably an American kid, for this whole scam.

Lastly, I recommend everyone go out and buy "The Sociopath Next Door" and learn about how these people work and what motivates them.

Is anyone sending emails to ipoker and merge to have these accounts locked and the IP's checked? It will pretty easy for the site to tell who was playing when as Jungleman and Dogishead have not been in Portugal and will have different IP.

From this thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...d-year-794635/

Posted on 05-28-2010, 11:12 AM

According to PTR someone played on that account up till May 28th, 2011.

Wow. Is there really any question now that this wasn't just some impulsive bad judgement from a stupid kid, and was in reality a pre meditated scam from the outset?

LookingForProdigy's posting history

I would also encourage people to go back and look at Haseeb's blog posts on Cardrunners for more writing samples.

The first hand is me playing, yes.

I've played a decent amount of 6max NL with "lolDublinPeople" on ipoker, pretty sure he was grinding a ton of 400-1knl a few months back.

If you are infering that somebody played on my account during that time, I'm afraid you are going to find nothing. I hated the euro-sites so much I went back to FTP despite the tax-things.

It is also possible he just still has feelings for the kid and decided to help him write the apology.

I don't understand why hasseb would only take 5% of himself? And then he gets hacked and loses at alot more. But has enough funds to bet 300k on a prop bet? Like an earlier poster pointed out would be interesting to see how many other people who wern't there had action against ashman.

I know accusations/speculation are getting thrown out left and right, but to say something like this is really out of line unless you can provide some evidence.

Can you check the IPs of various posts girah has made over the past several months, say compare between his posts in strategy threads with his posts in Portugese Prodigy thread and check if any of these IPs actually came from Haseeb's location?

Or you could for eg. find a few replies in Portugese Prodigy thread by girah to be coming from let's say Location X in USA, and check DOG IS HEAD's posts at around the same time(if any) and see if the IPs were the same or similar.

This is because Haseeb seems to be avoiding the question of whether he posted under girah. People can say that posting on 2p2 under girah is not the same as playing on girah's accounts, but since he DID play on girah's account and also shared Toshisan account with Jose, if he also posted under girah on 2p2 then really I think it calls into question just how much of the whole "girah" persona and playing = Jose, compared with girah = Haseeb. He so far refuses to address this.

Vaguely on topic, I apologize if I'm cluttering the thread. Jon Ronson is a BBC broadcaster who does numerous BBC TV and Radio 4 documentaries, several of them with "sociopathy" as the subject. Link to fascinating story of the trickery those types get up to.

he only had 5% of himself when he got 'hacked' as well

This incident looks a lot worse in light of recent developments.

LookingForProdigy aka Girah:

""Aperently unlike isildur the kid has some br management and like isi insane HU and 6m skills, since i did some research and talked to some ipoker betfair regs i know who all claim to have seen a portuguese kid with always different names""

So Girah admits himself to being a Betfair reg but there is zero Betfair $500 nl in Dog's fictional stats pic for him.

Go figure.....

funny you should mention that, all through this story i've been reminded of that podcast, i'd highly recommend it for anyone curious about sociopaths, its just one long anecdote but its fascinating.

i agree. was a mistake to post that. i still think there is a very good chance that it is being shared between the two however but there is almost no way to provide 100% evidence of this so i shouldn't have said it.

actually im not sure yet exactly what % he had, he may have been staked for it, trying to find out now

what is even the logical explanation for anyone playing hsnl with only 5% of himself?

He said he didn't write the statement:

Eh, if that's the most you can afford to take and it's a good spot, it's as good a use of your time as playing 5% the stakes with all your own action and a nice favor to your backer(s).

I've played very big games with as little as 10% of myself before.