Its all just sorta sad and tiring. I truly believe the sites could stop nearly all cheating if they really cared. Once harrahs/wynn etc, take over online poker and people can walk into a B&M establishment and raise hell face to face with a person when theyve been robbed and then go straight to the police the operators will go to extreme lengths to keep the games clean.

In my opinion the most damning thing Haseeb could have said was "But what's gone on is only between me, Jungle, Jose, and those who got scammed, and that's it"

Tells you everything you need to know about how warped his world-view is. "This famous guy has shown a willingness to cheat everybody but it's not something the world needs to know [maybe because I'm such a good role model papa bear that it won't happen again?]"

havent you seen the Portuguese play football cheaters by nature

"At this point, I didn't believe that Jose would have the balls to own up to this. And the more he thrashed and made excuses, the more I was convinced that I had to tell them myself rather than wait in vain for him to confess. After I had spoken to Nick, he invited me into a group chat with all of his HU group sans Jose, since I asked him to keep me posted about the investigation before I left. I steeled myself, and started talking to the group and telling them everything I knew - the contents of which have for the most part already been posted on 2p2, so you can read them there. Obviously those logs were intended to be private, but now that they've been posted in a public forum I'm going to do what I can to explain the breadth of them. The remainder of this blog will be in point format replying to specific remarks related to what has gone on on 2p2 as far as I've read it."


can the people involved confirm this is true, to me it looked like girah confessed long before DIH confessed for him.

he saw me as a big brother. he said i wrote like F Scott Fitzgerald. I completely disagreed with this, but i figured i should parlay my opportunity into charging him a dollar a word for editing his writing, 1k here, 2k there...

1. Where's your extra 30k compensation that you're supposed to be getting? Was Haseeb serious that you guys only got your extra 30k if you didn't go public with this?


2. It's also important to note that when Haseeb was 'hacked' and lost a ton at 100/200 with a small piece of his own action, he went on and on about how much it affected his ability to make money because it absolutely crushed his confidence.


3. Haseeb was very adamant about Jungleman not going through regular 'poker agents' and that instead it should be him doing all of these negotiations, being his 'manager', 'papa bear', 'mentor', etc. I assume Jungleman hasn't paid for any of this either since you didn't really care or worry about getting the money from him, much like with Jose.

4. When coaching sites were making Jungleman offers, they were going through Haseeb (as JM's agent). People from the coaching sites thought this may be a conflict of interest since he was already working for CR. Haseeb assured 100% he had JM's personal interests far above any blurred lines with his own motives. - I thought "well okay, Haseeb is a smart guy, he can be objective" .. Now, I'm starting to think this not so much.

5. When Haseeb uses 'we were backing, we were staking, etc etc' I think he should be including HOW MUCH action each person had (DIH/Jungle). If he's putting up 50% of the action, Jungle 50%, or whatever it changes a little. If he's putting up 0%, just using Jungle's money to back Jose and DIH is just getting a freeroll and acting as a middle man, it changes a lot (think this may be the case).

6. I really think screenshots of account history (Like iPoker, Merge, anywhere that p2p xfers are going down) is pretty important to see how this works out. I'm sure everyone can agree to trust a 3rd party to be very discrete with all this assuming there's no foul play. Maybe NoahSD or someone similar.

I don't have too much against Haseeb at all, but I do want the whole truth to come out. It's pretty ****ty when people get screwed especially in a situation as disgusting as this.

FWIW, Haseeb even stayed at my house for a week or so, a couple months back. Also, have been to numerous dinners/went out/staked/bought action, etc over course of the last year or two. I, too, am just trying to be objective as possible and get all the facts.

that and 'thats my story and i'm going to stand by it' is a pretty good one too, as well as 'So there. Now you know everything there is to know. Now calm the **** down, pack up the drama, and let's call it a night'.

ok buddy. So unreasonable for the community to want more information. SO unreasonable. You don't see it as legitimate people would have more questions? The correct line is "i am willing to answer any questions related to this provided they are reasonable, my integrity is extremely important to me and i don't have anything to hide as i have told everything". Not "pack up the drama, lets call it a night". Lol. DRAMA. YEAH WE'RE BEING DRAMA QUEENS HASEEB. ITS REALLY DRAMATIC TO WANT ANSWERS WHEN YOU'RE HEAVILY IMPLICATED (ALTHOUGH NOT NECESSARILY GUILTY OF ANYTHING BEYOND WHAT YOU'VE SAID) IN A HUGE SCANDAL. REALLY DRAMATIC.

Very interesting chat logs, is it common practice for HS players to tell each other when there is a huge fish sitting at the tables? I was under the assumption that as a player you want to keep all the easy money for yourself?

Yeah, it has to be said that the way Haseeb has handled this has been lolbad, and whether or not his hands are dirty in this whole mess, he's probably still managed to ensure some pretty permanent damage to his rep just by virtue of the way he chose to go about handling the situation.

If he really is 100% clean in all this, then he's made a ****ing awful choice in the way he has decided to address his relationship with Jose.


Edit: sorry, intended to post this in the NVG thread but posted in the wrong tab. I don't play HS so I shouldn't have posted in here.

QFT

Just to clarify about the 30k compensation: Dog never offered to take any part in paying that. He only vouched for the scam-money and it was Jose who was to pay the extra sum.

seems like it's more common to have 3 buddies watching your back and discussing every single tough spot when playing HU vs regulars

I wonder when the new topic of "selling accounts" will come up

So there are two possible scenario's, it was all a scam from the beginning or or it was a spur of the moment thing. I find the second the most unlikely. I mean if you are worth still over a million why would you suddenly start scamming people? And if it was a scam from the beginning I think that he couldnt have done it alone. Plus you dont suddenly start sending 30 people messages with the intention to scam them. And you dont sound that intelligent by just reading some forums and watching some vids for a few months.
And i doubt a scammer from the outside would be that dedicated to sound and look that real. And the fact that Haseeb has a very strong motive to do this with his downswing and his lost prop bet makes him the number 1 suspect imo. Also in that prop bet he showed that he clearly valued making a large amount of money above a friendship he claimed was very valuable to him.
Also if you have had money, and you are hanging out with high stakes balles that stings if you see how much money they have when you are not that well off yourself. Also the fact that haseeb tries to imply that we should move on in his blogpost is also suspiscious as ****.

Also im just speculating here, not accusing anyone yet

I got my popcorn ready!

I also want to hear about all the players using VPN's. You can play anywhere you want and use how many accounts you want, it's Thunderdome!

Jose requested that $64,000 was to be transferred to my account on Merge. He only had $47,000 in his account, which has been sent to me. The rest will be taken from the Dollarman-account on Merge - Jose has to send a mail to Merge from the mail it's registered in before I receive the other $17,000.

Haseeb had nothing to do with the extra 30k. He knew from the start we were going public. What they wanted was for their names to be left out of it. At one point it was said that he wasn't sure whether they could send the money from their accounts if we went public with the fact that they would send us money (the money they owed Jose), so they'd rather not send the money and have that entire part be left out. He took that back pretty much immediately after he wrote it, however.

Alright, I've just woken up and have finally gotten a few hours sleep after all of this. Looking back on the blog post I wrote last night, I really wish I had slept on it rather than writing it all in one go. It came out really angry, especially with everything having come down on me all at once and feeling really overwhelmed and stressed out. That being said, I'm going to do my best to reply to some of the points stated here by you guys.

1. The line "what happened is between me, Jose, etc." was obviously a very poorly worded phrase, and I've taken it out. What I meant was that the entire matter before it went public was between us, the scammed, jose, etc., because we all had very important vested interests in how it came to light. Jungle and I had a lot of money involved in this situation, the scammed of course had their reparations to be sorted out, and so what I meant to say that I didn't think it was fair to say that for trying to hold this thing from going public that I was being disingenuous. What I meant was obviously NOT that Jose scamming people is not something the public should know about, nor my playing on his account, etc.

2. Yes, the stake and debt were separate. There was a 40k debt to Jose while he was in makeup due to the housing. Jose definitely had his own money, we know this for a fact. We have no proof of millions, but we know that he had some.

3. There was no talk whatsoever of me bribing anybody 30k to hold back the story. The 30k was reparations to be paid to the victims BY JOSE. I was not going to pay that. I promised to help pay them out for their initial losses by the scam, and that was it. I was not involved in anything more, but when they told us (contradicting their earlier promises) that they were going to include our names when they went public, I told them then we'd prefer if Jose paid them out himself instead of us bank wiring them money (once it became clear he was able to pay out of his Lock account). But at no point did I take away the promise that I'd pay them out if Jose reneged on his payment.

4. I only played on Jose's account once. Period. If you want details on who Jose scammed and how much, ask the victims involved and they'll give you the breakdown, I asked them simply for one total number and one bank account to send to.

5. We were not going to take his action in these 25/50 give back 1bb/100 matches, in fact we strongly discouraged them because we thought they were ridiculous. AFAIK he never took one except against bigguylegend, who refused to play him after a few sessions because he thought Jose was very good.

6. I am not in debt to anyone, and the stake was split between me and Jungle 50/50. Ashton was there when we both decided to stake Jose, so he may be able to attest to that.

7. I changed my name from "ipokeder" to "DogIsHead" because I turned 18 and started playing with accounts in my own name since I could have my own bank account, etc. I vaguely recall the incident in question where I got coaching from MDMA without telling him who I was when I knew he otherwise wouldn't accept me because we argued on 2p2 all the time. Honestly I find it kind of odd that this is being brought up as a charge against me for paying some guy who doesn't like me for coaching back when I was 18? But okay.

8. There were many periods over which I had more or less involvement with Jose, especially while I was moving around and around Black Friday, because we were so busy dealing with other ****. Most of it was at the start.

9. Not sure who's saying I can't pay my debts or why. I am not in debt. It would be hard to put up the cash to stake people if I were in debt.

10. The more I am reading about the evidence against Girah's alleged millions won and previous accounts, I am honestly starting to question all of it. But I have no idea what to think of it or where to begin doubting things. I do remember him showing me lots of HH's that he played against GreeceP (Isildur) at 25/50 because he was asking me about doing an instructional video on one of his early blogs, and I told him doing one on an Isildur HH would be a really good idea. I still don't know what to think.

11. I was pretty angry in my blog post, and for that I apologize. It wasn't a very level-headed way to do it, but I had just gotten to my place in London and had been writing for 3-4 hours straight to get all of that out without any sleep. I wish I could re-write it more sensibly, but the only right thing to do is let it stand as is. But I don't think that I have been narcissistic to include the details that I did about Jose looking up to me and praising my writing, etc. - I wanted to portray with leaving out as few details as possible our relationship, and I think the fact that he obviously thought a lot of me was important to understanding it. I'm sorry if you guys think I was stroking my own ego, but that wasn't what it was about. I just tried my best to portray the full story as best I could.

Any more questions that you guys have I'll try to answer if they're stated clearly.

Haseeb

dogishead,

did girah ever visit you when you were living at a house in vegas with jungleman and others? has jose macedo ever been in vegas?

Haseeb, do you consider 1300 hands a "pretty quick session" of "losing several buyins .. on some flips and then quit"?

The funny thing about this is that even if Jose was even a mediocre midstakes player that doctored his stats, he woulda made so much money just by getting these sponsorships (pokerstrategy and lock was only a start) and probably no one would have found out about it. Instead he goes and scams ppl, and loses a million down the road in sponsorships. So **** dumb.

Wait, Haseeb sold a bunch of action to play 100/200 HU, got hacked, lost a ton, and then disappeared for 6 months+ b/c he had lost his confidence?

Then he shows up again in the public eye betting $250k on a running prop bet?

I don't know all the details of his life, so I'm actually curious is this about right in terms of his actions over the past year and a half?

11. I was pretty angry in my blog post, and for that I apologize. It wasn't a very level-headed way to do it, but I had just gotten to my place in London and had been writing for 3-4 hours straight to get all of that out without any sleep.

Were you up all night looting? This lad had a cracking haul:

One question for you Haseeb.
There was a post in NVG from one of the players in the hu group that mentioned you had said that _IF_ this news got public you and JM couldnt live with girah like you planned, making it sound like otherwise you would?

Actually one more question. During the lockpoker challenge he was staked by you and jungle right? And at the end he went from playing midstakes to playing(and beating) alot of though opponents at 50/100 hu to win the race. Why did you allow him to play thoose matches when in your blog you mention something about telling him to gameselect and in your post above you mention not wanting to take action in the 25/50 hu 1bb/100 matches. And if he played his own money in thoose matches why the f did he need a stake for 5/10?

you forgot to include sauce in your post

its fairly likely he wanted to show how hard he was owning at high stakes to jungle man and haseeb so that they'd stake him in the 1bb give back games, 200/400, the durrrr challenge etc. probably also craved their respect, having 'never been the best at anything'. 'i was always top 5' etc. wanted things to move faster. thought he was the king.

if you think about it, its a pretty fast track way to being considered one of the best nl hu players in the world, girah crushes everyone, gets staked to play durrr, trains a bunch with jungle man and haseeb, his chances of winning are going to be at least 25% MINIMUM. if he wins, he gets whatever sponsorship he wants and continues to get to pick some of the best poker minds who will want to keep them in his circle.

this makes it sound like i think he is clever, i actually think he is a total sociopath. i feel a little sorry for him in that he just sounds so desperate in those chat logs, both in trying to get people to play sauron, his lies, the whole 'it looks dodgy right!? i am almost don't want to play him cos it feels like something is going on' business... (there must be some word for this concept btw? it is always a great hint at people being dodgy, its like, no one would say 'it almost looks dodgy right?' in a chat like this in my experience..).

Sad days for poker. i hate that when i go meet a girls parents one day they are going to ask me what i do and its possible i get lumped in a category with Jose Macedo. Disgusts me.

He addressed this.

He said there was a level of big-brother complex initially that made him feel like he could help the kid get his head on straight. I believe he said in retrospect that that idea sounds absurd.