It´s hard to put my finger on it, but something feels a bit off here. I´ll use this opportunity to get something off my shoulder. A year or two ago I made a series of posts about how coaches were charging ridiculous rates in relation to their hourly or the amount of poker they were currently playing. I couldn´t say it then, because a lot of people perhaps felt singled out, but if I remember correctly the catalyst for those posts was DogIsHeads absolute ridiculous, disrespectful and pathetic coaching advert where he had the boldness to charge something like 500 bucks an hour whilst riding on an exercise bike. To this day no other post on 2+2, including anything directed at me, has struck me as more ridiculous/greedy/arrogant etc. To have the audacity to charge someone that amount whilst exercising is beyond me in terms of self-perception and greed. Therefor, to me it was no surprise when DIH tried to take advantage of one of his close friends in a prop bet that could endanger his health, that he is now in the midst of (at least) a multiaccounting drama, etc. Are you telling me that DIH has offered up all this time and money mentoring a person he had never met, coached him, staked him, became his agent, set up webiste and infrastructure, helped brokered muliple online deals etc and has not recieved a cent in return:

"We were intending to work out payment, but we never really agreed on anything specific. At times it was suggested that I'd receive a cut of his coaching winnings as he always told me he was very excited about becoming a poker coach. But again, we never agreed on anything exact, just randomly he'd let me know that he'd give me 1k for doing this or 2k for doing that (usually helping him write stuff). I've not received any money from him as of yet. I was never worried about it."

What doesn´t sit well w me is the idea of the guy that couldn´t even give up an hour of easy money whilst on the exercise bike in the morning eating his cornflakes now being so blasé when it comes to his time and money, even if it was for a "friend" (and in the case w the Ashman, regardless of how noble and sportsmanlike Ashman was in the aftermath, DIH clearly thought he was taking advantage of a much better "friend" than this "kid" that he has never even met).

Also, I really dislike the fact that he keeps grouping himself and Jungleman, Sauce etc in every sentence, as if to say that he is without any blame if the group as a whole is without any blame. Your level of involvement, financial situation, history etc seems to be on a whole other level compared to these other guys, so even if you are innocent of absolutely everything do them a favour and keep their name out of your defence of yourself.

I agree. But it's still unethical and scummy imo. He makes it sound more mundane and insignificant than it actually is. It's actually quite a big deal and will definitely spark some questions as to whether or not this was the only time DIH did it...

But either way, this doesn't come close to the severity of what Jose did. I just think it should not just be overlooked. Seemed like Haseeb just threw it in there hoping that people wouldn't notice it. Just my opinion.

From Haseeb's blog: "Here I have confessed to the entire story and everything that I've taken part in, and I will not waver in standing by it"

do people feel the need to say that they are standing by their story when the story is truthful?

I agree with the others that something seems a bit off in the blog post. Especially given Haseeb's initial posts on the matter. I don't know if I'm imagining things, but while there is a lot of detail in the post, I can't help but feel there's a lot left out. It's very obvious that jungleman and haseeb have a very close relationship with jose, but haseeb paints himself as oblivious and distant.

Couple more specific points:

I just can't comprehend Haseeb not knowing anything about the bluff poker challenge given the relationship he described with Jose.


Given that Haseeb was able to get someone to deposit into an account that was not theirs, why not just let them deposit into Jose's account directly?

Sure not the answer I would expect from someone who was scamming on behalf of a friend...

Cross-posting from NVG, as this seems logical:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=815

mind expanding on that?

Yea let's be realistic here, what are the chances that it was the only instance in which he MA'ed.
I'd say it's literally close to 0%.

He does admit to setting everything up for the kid, but why the website in his name, etc...?

Given Haseeb's known questionable ethics, I can't believe this is all there is to it. He plays the "Ok guys I'm unloading everything" game by actually coming clean on a bunch of points and writing an overwhelmingly long blog post, but I still think it's merely the tree that hides the forest.

And this, definitely.
It was assumed that DIH was some kind of has-been cash player in really bad financial condition, which is likely what triggered him to do the ****ed up bet with Ashman, so the guy clearly has a history of having no problem doing unethical things when his back is against the wall financially, and now he wants us to believe that (alledgedly) in debt, 250k more in the hole to Ashman, he wouldn't do anything unethical beyond MA'ing just once in the midst of that enrmous scam?

I call bull****.

It's kind of comical also how Qureshi asks "why did he do it?" seemingly on the basis of Macedo's back story still being true. Yeah I'm sure his uncle scammed him for $300k or whatever.

girah
<->
rigah!

carry on

Something that seems to be going way overlooked here imo is just how insanely desperate this scam is.. I mean, regardless of where his skill level is on the spectrum of poker understandings.. he HAD to have realized just how obvious the scam was and the chances of him being caught were very high if not almost 100%. I think that's pretty good indication that he was in a pretty desperate financial situation somehow or other..

ha ha ha rig!

GIR-AH

backwards is

HA-RIG

Someone should just gather all girah's signnames on different sites and send them to each site to ask for IP's to be checked for the login locations, from say the last 3-4 months. Then all shall be revealed as to just how much Haseeb played on Jose's accounts, since afaik Jose Macedo was in Portugal this whole time.

thought i'd just post that $21,900 has been xferred to my overbet account on merge, so i've been paid the full amount i lost to sauron1989.

This is so ridiculous. Hell the **** no it's not. It's between you, the people scammed, josé, jungle, the whole community that was behind Jose, all the sponsors, all of jose's students, all the people that defended jose for all that time, and all the people that could've potentially been cheated had this not been stopped "on time" (for them).

Basicly it's public, and that's something you have to accept and deal with when you go ahead and create a whole image for yourself and hype a person like crazy and it turns out he's a cheat. Wake the **** up.

EDIT: that quote comes from DIH's blogpost, if that wasnt clear (http://www.cardrunners.com/blog/inte...-girah-scandal)

My favorite part of the whole blog is the level of narcissism he writes with, as if anyone reading about his involvement is trying to read a knock off jonathan franzen novel, but when it comes to something he very clearly did intend to do (unfairly group sauce in with him) his only response is-

"6. Oh, and anyone who's saying that I was trying to "muddy Sauce" - shut the **** up."

Pokerstrategy is based in Gibralter

As an overly trusting and naive person myself who has been f'ed over several times by people I trusted and is much wiser for it here is some advice for Jungleman:

DIH and Jose were never your friend or worthy of being anybody's friend. You would be making a huge mistake living with either of them.

What's the o/u... how many days... till Jose/girah drops the biggest bombshell of all with chatlogs/emails/etc implicating Haseeb and jungleman in the worst way possible so he can save himself and his future?

He would certainly take a large payment from both to stay quiet and 'fall on the grenade' so that will never happen even if it is actually the case imo.

I think this is pointless. This whole scam centres on using teamview to get an edge. It's easy to conceive that is how girah turned from a game selecting 1k nit, who wouldn't play higher (I asked on a few occasions) to someone that apparently ripped up the last few days of the promo (I gave up on challenge at this stage of the challenge).

The turn around when I heard was laughable. I mean lock's new kid plays bad, refuses games, but then comes good so late in the day. It seemed far too good to be true, but I (and others inc lock pros) thought it was likely to be chip dumping. Also that the 'girah' we had all played was a weak friend of girah, and the man playing higher was actually him. Obviously now I don't think this, girah the 'prodigy' was made up and that 1k bumhunter is most likely him.

@ aejones, sry find it hard to quote from iPhone, but u said he was offering to pay ppl to play at 5k. If ur referring to what girah said about me playing 5k vs sauron with a show all rule, then it didn't happen b/c he was outed b4 he could make me this offer. I would have played sauron as high as I could and sold action without the showall rule. I am sure cuff0the0moron would have done same as he was also in girahs crosshairs as future scam potential.

If 2p2 has taught me anything, it's to never accept 100% no risk to you, guaranteed.

Also like Haseeb's guarantee of 30k extra to all who were scammed, if they guarantee HIM that it wouldn't go public.

I wanted to say I just finished to read the skype convos on
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...8&postcount=23
and was really impressed by the way this nick frame or whoever he is handled the situation in real time. Great job man!

So Jose was supposedly scammed by his uncle for $250k? Where did the uncle part come out? Were there any other details?

Also the scams I was witness to came in 6max games, not hu. So w/e ur opinion is this opens it up to the community.