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You could just as easily make the argument that hes less likely to cheat people because he knows how ****ty it feels to be super used. I think the same could be said about a lot of other speculations itt such as the durrr challenge... If jungleman wanted to play on girah's account why would he publicly say he has a friendship w girah. if he truly wanted to cheat durrr he wouldve hid behind the scenes and no one wouldve suspected any connection between the two. This is also why i think its unlikely dih and jungle had any clue about this scam. Had they known they wouldnt have constantly vouched for him and put themselves out there to take at least partial blame

edit: im not saying dih is innocent bcuz the chat seems semi suspicious but i just think he wouldnt have put his rep on the line if he was planning on scamming ppl w the person he vouched for

Should be noted that The Bear Jew was the only person in the 70 miles prop bet thread that was defending Haseeb.....

The Bear Jew's ridiculous narrative faillacy attempt should also be noted though, I'm pretty surprised he would post something like that.

Did you not call him one of the top 5 best regs on merge in your ssnl thread? I could just be misinterpreting what you mean and I apologize if I am.

I have written up a bunch of posts, but honestly can't figure out a way to say anything that hasn't already been said. So I'll wait eagerly with the rest of everyone for the parties involved to respond. Seems like there is a lot more information waiting to come out.

Btw unless I missed it, this thread is seriously missing an "I told you so!" post from limon.

Amazing that even in HSNL the penny hasn't dropped yet (for most at least). Martin among a minority of others not surprisingly has the gist of what's going on. The full details may or may not emerge but suffice to say look no further than Qureshi. Sad that jungleman is getting thrown under the bus with him but then again he has obviously shown really poor judgement to be so closely aligned with him/become his close friend.

At this point Id be surprised if DIH didn't do something incredibly shady. As others have said it looks like DIH was on top of world, then went on a downswing/got hacked/whatever then took some time off....Maybe then he found an articulate, smart, decent mid stakes euro kid and concocted "girah"..... fwiw I also think its hard to say if JM was involved at all.

kingdan blog on 'girahgate'

http://leggopoker.com/blogs/king-dan...ate-10306.html

Everyone ITT is speculating on how its possible someone could be scum? Wtf its just speculation!?

I already said ITT that I like Haseeb and want to believe that he has done no wrong. However, all the connect the dots make it seem like he is really in on this.

Its just speculation...jeez. chill out wtf? Thats exactly what this thread is for....getting to the bottom of this mess and obv a possible motive should be brought up. I said the same thing with Sorel in the chinese thread (when he got cheated) and later on went on to say that I think Sorel might be in the right! Its just speculation! wtf?

If anything, I'm saying Haseeb isn't THAT BAD OF A PERSON , and a series of very terrible events made him go crazy therefore his cheating/multiaccounting/ghosting w/e is more easily justified from a public sort of view. Jeeeez.

I really like Haseeb, and thats what I was trying to say, not a burn at the stake kind of thing....i was rooting for him in the prop bet thread, and think he's great....just can't not say whats right in front of everyones eyes....durrr challenge seems weird too especially as evidence seems to point that girah is a decent midstakes reg at best which is a far cry from hsnl hu superstar.

For the record, as I've already said in this thread/NVG, I don't think that this girah guy was purely a DIH puppet. I don't think DIH is behind the superusing. I do think that despite my reads on haseebs character/what I think happened....that I shouldn't speculate/get to the bottom of this anyway because of all the ****s that happened w/ this girah character...and time will tell!

need to sleep now tho jeez 2p2 so addicting.

Exactly what I was saying and what a lot of people in this thread don't understand (although it's pretty obvious). For those who still have troubles understanding, just remember how girah was trying to make sauce play 50/100$.

dogishead gets accused here and yet he only replied once. Find it strange how he is not defending himself here. I certainly would if i wouldnt have been involved in any of the cheating.

http://www.cardrunners.com/blog/inte...-girah-scandal

lol "papa bear"

I would really appreciate some cliffs of that

was saving this type of thing for NVG, but I just couldnt resist

DIH, u in on it? u have proven multiple times ur judgement sucks

fwiw I just read Haseeb's blog and my reaction is that on the surface it is a better confession than I expected, because if the whole thing was a lie you'd be able to poke so many holes in it given its length. If his intention was to lie about everything I dont think he would have made such a long post that opens himself up completely. So I think we should at least be glad that Haseeb has decided to post such a long confession.

However, there are several issues that Haseeb failed to address:

1) just how much he played under girah's account... admitting to doing it to get him banned that one time doesn't mean he didn't play on that and other accounts at other times

2) no detail was provided over just precisely how many people Jose scammed, for what amounts, over how long a period of time, etc etc. Since Jose was directly staked by Haseeb, all this needs to be completely detailed because we know that Haseeb profited from Jose's winnings, when we now know that at least part of the winnings may have come from him superusing others.

So the real dollar figures, signnames, etc etc need to be provided. otherwise we will never know the true extent of just how much scamming went on, how much of it is known between Jose and Haseeb/jungleman that is now kept from the public, and that therefore will continue to stain the reputation of Haseeb and jungleman until detailed information is provided, and then confirmed by the victims which include players who have either not yet discovered that they were scammed, or not had the chance to gather evidence and come forward with details. Believe me, additional victims do exist.

FU Girah. i respectED u.

i really like how in that blog post hasseb makes a point of saying that jose was a narcissist, while at the same time including a **** ton of totally irrelevant and completely self-centered/arrogant statements about how "he thought i wrote like f. scott fitzgerald" and "he thought i was so much smarter then every agent he talked to" etc...things that have absolutely no relevance to the issue at hand other then to stroke his own ego.

its pretty pathetic that he can't even make an apology post, without filling it with all kinds of attempted self-promoting wannabe brags.

jesus ****ing christ i get tilted reading his writing. i wish there was a program "elimate all adjectives," then i might be able to get through it.

a few things that seem inconsistent to me but im probably just confused about:

1. he says he's going to gibralter on a flight when this breaks, but i though there were plans to go to portugal until it broke? im probably just missing it all, it just seems like the timing could possibly be relevant.

2. he says jose bought a house after his uncle scammed him and then he got cash broke (that happens). he also says he was hoping to go down there because it'd be good for jose's life to stop living with his mother and get out of the house. this could also be relevant.

3. he is not clear about the MA'ing, imo, unless he just flight denies all of it except the canadian account and him playing on girah's lock account? he's almost certainly lying here, although i feel like the MA discussion will just distract from the more important issues.

4. what about this guy challenging people to play 25-50 and pay them? obviously i know dozens of people who would have accepted if they had money on the same site as him, was this going to be girah playing? was he going to be ghosted? was he going to be backed for paying people to play 25-50? i think a timeline of his robusto to busto would be good.

5. normally i don't think that people's personal finances are relevant, but in this case i'd be a bit interested in haseeb's to see if there isn't some secret money, because it's an awfully sly trick to stake someone when you can't even pay your own debts.

if this is haseebs entire involvement (pretty big if, odds are that he's involved in one of the million of conspiracy theories that makes sense, imo), then it's not that bad, but jesus christ if this isn't the brick that broke the camel's back for haseeb's rep, it's certainly the straw.

I think his blog was terrible tbh, came of condescending and matter of factly.
Breezes over the fact that he played on girahs account by basically saying "Lol its wrong but it just happens and everybody has done it lol"

It it were up to him this would not be public because "what's gone on is only between me, Jungle, Jose, and those who got scammed, and that's it". What a joke

everyone should rly read the whole thing instead of cliffs even if its long

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Might literally be ******ed to judge someone based on forum and blog posts, but to me Haseeb seems quite arrogant and wise-assish. He kind of breezes over the fact that he MA'd (remember how much **** mizzi or townsend got for it?) and focuses on distancing himself from Jose. Looking forward to the information that will inevitably surface, but this whole deal looks super fishy to me...

just read it! man, haseeb really loves the term 'big brother'. definitely upset he didn't get 'papa bear' in there though.

It's not the same though if what Haseeb said is true. Towsend changed screename and played in lineups he had lots of reads and history with for months under a new name and gained a pretty big advantage.

If Hasseeb played 1 session of PLO against someone he had no history with then it's a pretty big difference.

edit: still wrong tho obv so dunno why i bothered posting but w/e