Pinnacle left the terms of the bet unclear and should be paying both sides imo.

There has been a very popular term over the past few years called "the November 9". These are the final 9 players left in the World Series Main event. In retrospect, and hopefully in the future you will change the wording of this prop bet you offer because it would be clear. There are many sites that can tell us who these 9 players are, I agree with you. That also has nothing to do with this dispute.

My wager read, Poker-2012 WSOP, will a woman make the final table of Main Event. When they end up heads up, there will also be a plethora of sites that tell me who those last two players are, but that also would not change the definition of making the final table. No offense but your response does nothing to defend Pinnacles position. The definition of the final table, the exact wording Pinnacle chose to use when offering this bet, reads will a woman make the final table. The result of that cannot be argued. Again, this is the definition of the final table...
final table
The last table in a multi-table poker tournament.
Can you possibly dispute that a woman made the final table and that I won my bet. If your intention is to stiff me on the bet, Id rather you just email me that then insult my intelligence by pointing me to the plethora of sites that list who is currently remaining.
From: Bridgette - - Customer Service <csd@pinnaclesports.com>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: Re: incorrect graded bet (CaseNumber-1752801_36)

Dear Sir,

Your wager read as follows:
Poker - 2012 WSOP in Las Vegas - Main Event General Props - Will a woman make the final table of Main Event? – Yes
The answer to this question is no. There is no woman who will sit down at the 2012 WSOP Main Event Final table when action begins on October 28 2012.
There are a plethora of sites where you may find information on the players who will sit at the 2012 WSOP Final Table.
For specific names, you may visit the official site of the WSOP. For your convenience, this site lists the nine people who are included in the WSOP Final Table:
http://www.pokernewsreport.com/2012-...profiles-10013
Wagers on this proposition were correctly graded as “No” and there will be no adjustments.
Kind regards,

Bridgette
Customer Service Department
Pinnacle Sports


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final table
The last table in a multi-table poker tournament. The final table is set when a sufficient amount of people have been eliminated from the tournament leaving an exact amount of players to occupy one table (typically no more than ten players).... This is the definition of a final table according to the English language, not ESPN, with all due respect to ESPN. By the definition of "final table", it has to be undisputed that this can only mean what it says, final table. My bet did not read "televised final table". My bet was simple, will a women reach the final table of the World Series main event.

Nobody can dispute that when there was one table left a woman was still in. Your reponse was, the final table of the main even is considered the table of the final 9 competitors, if that were true, why didnt you specify that I was betting a woman would reach the final 9. I play poker, and participated in many tournaments (not many final tables though :0( ). WPT may only televise the final 6 players, would that mean that final table on a WPT event would be the final 6? Again, it is indisputable that according to the English language, a female finished on the final table. Please credit my bet properly.


From: Laura - - Customer Service <csd@pinnaclesports.com>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: RE: incorrect graded bet (CaseNumber-1752801_13)

Dear Sir.

The final table of the main event of the world series of poker is considered the table of the final 9 competitors. Hence the name, the FINAL table. We agree that a woman made it to the final ten, and while those 10 people were seated at 1 table. It was not the final table. The final table will be played in October.
All major historians/websites today agree that Barbara Enright was the last(and only) female to reach a main event final table(as shown in some quotes below).
From WSOP.com (the official site of the World Series of Poker) :
"However, perhaps the biggest story of the day was the stunning way thesummer series ended with two female players taking 10th and 11th places, respectively. For most of the day it appeared that at least one female would match Poker Hall of Famer Barbara Enright’s 1995 feat, as the only female in history to make it to a Main Event final table. However, when Elisabeth Hille and Gaelle had their hopes crushed with “bubble” final table bustouts, the aspirations of a woman in the championship came to a disappointing end."
From Bluff Magazine:
"The 2012 World Series of Poker Main Event final table is set. The final nine players will now take a break until October 28, when cards get back into the air for the official final table, and the pursuit of the $8.5 million top prize continues. Elisabeth Hille and Gaelle Baumann were the two unfortunate bubble girls, finishing in 11th place and 10th place respectively. If they would have made the final table it would have been the first time ever that two females were represented at the final table of the Main Event, and if either one of them had advanced, it would have been the first time that a female appeared at the Main Event final table since Barbara Enright in 1995."

From ESPN:
"The World Series of Poker main event final table is set, and Jesse Sylvia leads a group of eight Americans and one Hungarian looking to become the next world champion."
Headline from Las Vegas Review Journal:
"Final table set at World Series of Poker after women contenders fall from field"
Also from Las Vegas Review Journal :
"Gaelle Baumann of France made a valiant run to reach the final table, but fell short in 10th place. She entered the round of 10 players with a little more than 2 million in chips."
"Baumann earned $590,442 for 10th, the best finish by woman since Annie Duke finished 10th in 2000. A woman hasn't reached the final table of the
Main Event since 1995."
We could have included countless other sites which all say she fell short of the final table....
In conclusion, every major poker news outlet and website has scored this as not reaching the final table. A 10th place finish is not considered reaching the final table at the main event of the WSOP. Your bet was correctly graded as a loss, and will remain that way.




Kind regards,

Customer Service Department
Pinnacle Sports


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My acct number is xxx, I had a bet for a women to make the final table at the World Series of poker. The final table had 10 players, here are the seat numbers....

Main 1 Russell Thomas
2 Jacob Balsiger
3 Jeremy Ausmus
4 Steven Gee
5 Greg Merson
6 Gaelle Baumann
7 Jesse Sylvia
8 Robert Salaburu
9 Andras Koroknai
10 Michael Esposito
Number 6, Gaelle Baumann is a woman. My bet was not if any female reaches the Nov 9, because Pinnacle would have had to specifically tell me that. The bet read simply, women to reach final table, yes or no. I bet yes. It is undisputed that when the final table was played, a woman was still in. Can you correct this bet please.

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7 7:32pm 1-Jul-12 17-Jul-12 Future Poker - 2012 WSOP in Las Vegas - Main Even.... 993 10,000.00 -10,000.00
WSOP in Las Vegas
Main Event General Props
Will a woman make the final table of Main Event?
Yes vs No

The above is a list of emails to the customer service dep.
cliffs: -bet a woman would make the "final table"
-girl makes the "final table" and busts 10th, does not make the "october nine"
-pinnacle grades as loss and sends condescending emails containing links to poker news sites that show the oct 9.

-point of this thread: is 10th place the "final table" without any further clarification from pinnacle, who is responsible for making wagers unambiguous?

Agree you should be paid.

my first reaction is that it's crazy if pinny doesn't pay this out. what was the line on it?

When there is only one table left in a poker tournament, I don't know how that can not be called the final table.

+993

+1

they should pay

edit: OP take your case to the guys from sbr

I did my best to think up a good devil's advocate case and came up empty handed.

wsop.com coverage refers to the final 10 as "The Unofficial Final Table", and the "not-quite-final final table".

You should def be paid.

Also they could have easily clarified the octo nine or whatever instead of final table

file a complaint at sbr (Justin7)

I mean I have always been under the impression that the final table (in a full ring tourney) is the last 9 players. I mean as a technicality you def have an argument, but in general the final table is considered to be the last 9....

I would put it like this, it would never occur to me that I should be paid if I had your side of the bet, but I def understand your side of the argument and think you should push it as far as you can......