There's no reason you should be able to play with 20BB stacks in the NLHE/PLO rounds of 8 game, especially at the higher stakes. It allows people to be able to get by playing the NLHE/PLO rounds as a limit specialist and risk the least amount. You cannot do that during limit rounds. Stars has taken a stance with separating cap from regular NL games and increasing the minimum buyins. Why would it be any different for 8 game during those rounds?

Wasn't sure where exactly to post this but this seems like a good place. I also sent an email to PS.

I don't play 8 game but your post seems perfectly logical and as someone who plans to learn mix in the near future I would tend to agree w/ you

Maybe introduce antes in to the NLHE/PLO rounds to induce more action. They tend to be kind of nitty. Make it 40 or 50bb min with 150-200bb max with antes. Perfect.

signed

NL should def have antes

I also think the game order should be changed. There's no reason for all of the stud games and big bet games to be back to back. It makes it more fun if things are switched up.

I propose:

2-7
Stud 8
PLO
Razz
LHE
O8
Stud Hi
NLHE

signed, +1 to adding antes to nl

Antes in NL would be amazing, I also prefer 40bb min or something though it's not a huge deal. People sucking at nl can compensate by just push/folding at 20bb but I can't compensate for my awful stud games

Yea exactly. This seems very cut and dry and I hope Stars makes the correct decision. At least 40BB min, preferably 50BB-200BB with antes. I'd also love to see the rotation mixed up but that's not as important as the other two.

In order of importance

1) Whatever order the WSOP used this year for 8game (Negreanu authored it, I think) should be used for 8game mix. It was good.

2) Make the stud antes a little bigger. The current Stars mix ante is 10% of the BB. Something like 15% should be more ideal, especially in shorthanded games.

3) Make the mandatory minimum buyin 50bb and put in a small ante for NL

4) Stars should consider adding NL 2-7 (with antes and you can't openlimp) and Badugi for a 10 game mix

5) For down the road (not anytime soon) Stars should look into programming badeucey, badacey, and possibly 2-7 razz

The whole point of mix is a bunch of fun games and edges are less defined. The current version of mix has basically gotten regs to stop gambling with each other, since stud antes are small and NL doesnt have antes.

Good post Clayton. I highly doubt anyone could argue against increasing Stud antes, adding an ante in NLHE/PLO with 50BB min, and switching up the mix being great for games. It's turned in to a nitfest in the big bet games and there has to be a change. This seems like a very simple change to make and it will improve games SO much.

I refuse to support a 10 game mix, though. F Badugi!

I think you underestimate how awesome shorthanded badugi is.

THIS THIS THIS. so important. cant count the number of times ive capped it on like 5th street in stud thinking we are still playing razz.

Yea it makes for less confusion, and it makes it more fun having a way different game to play every single round.

List of 8-Game fixes so far that everybody seems to agree on. I haven't had one person say they disagree, both in this thread and just talking to other regs in the games. This needs to be fixed at 20/40+ ASAP! Might as well add the changes to all of the limits, but high stakes really needs this. This will make the games more fun, and induce more action. It also prevents people from short stacking the big bet games. Stars agrees short stacking is terrible for the games (they made CAP tables, and raised the minimum buyin on other games).

1). Make the minimum buy-in 50BB in NLHE/PLO games.

2). Switch the order of the games.

3). Add antes to the NL/PLO rounds.

4). Make the antes slightly larger in the Stud rounds (Razz/Stud Hi/Stud 8).

I've e-mailed Stars and I hope everyone who sees this does the same . Just link them to this thread and add in your own thoughts (or just copy/paste this post). Hopefully a rep sees this and takes care of it ASAP.

Absolutely do not randomize the order of games.

Just switch the order to your prior suggestion or WSOP 8-game format.

+1 to randomizing being bad. the suggested order above looks great and im sure the wsop order was great as well.