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12-26-2011 , 12:56 PM
ENFP but i think i was different before
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12-26-2011 , 03:14 PM
Your Type is
ISFP
Introverted Sensing Feeling Perceiving
Strength of the preferences %
33 25 12 22
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12-26-2011 , 04:30 PM
INFJ. I score way high in intuitive, usually 90%-%100.

I'm a big winner playing live vs. a breakeven to slightly losing player online.

I think this is because my extroverted feeling and empathy for people are reflected back to me in a natural way when I'm sitting at the table playing with people live.

When I play online, there's a disconnect there with the Feeling function, due to not having enough personal information to go on, and because of the shorter amount of time to process information.

So, often in tough spots, the N function and F function get tied up, and I have cognitive dissonance.
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12-27-2011 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldBoFree

When I play online, there's a disconnect there with the Feeling function, due to not having enough personal information to go on, and because of the shorter amount of time to process information.

So, often in tough spots, the N function and F function get tied up, and I have cognitive dissonance.

hmmm never thought of it this way. ive gotten intp pretty much everytime ive taken the test but suspect intj or infp are very close as well. can definitely relate to the cognitive dissonance part for playing online. i tend to do a lot better live for the same reasons as well and softer competition along with that definitely helps.
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12-27-2011 , 06:43 AM
INTP
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12-27-2011 , 11:58 AM
INTJ, but my %'s are actually fairly low in the NTJ brackets (all under 45%) what does this mean?
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12-27-2011 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldBoFree
INFJ. I score way high in intuitive, usually 90%-%100.

I'm a big winner playing live vs. a breakeven to slightly losing player online.

I think this is because my extroverted feeling and empathy for people are reflected back to me in a natural way when I'm sitting at the table playing with people live.

When I play online, there's a disconnect there with the Feeling function, due to not having enough personal information to go on, and because of the shorter amount of time to process information.

So, often in tough spots, the N function and F function get tied up, and I have cognitive dissonance.

Related post I made about a year ago in another thread:

View: INFPs are good at live poker because our intuition helps us easily pick up betting/logical patterns of villains, our superior empathy helps us understand who's on tilt and what kinds of motivations are underlying villains' actions in a hand, and we're good at observing/focusing on the big picture.

View: INFPs are bad at online poker because it's much more difficult to suppress emotions in the privacy of our own homes and to stay focused on "T"-oriented decision making and avoid going on tilt. We also lose the benefit of our most dangerous live poker gifts of knowing people. Without that kind of information available, our decision-making is impaired. Online poker is all "N" for us with suppression of "F" instincts.

View: I am probably unfairly imputing my poker self-assessment to all INFPs.

Obv, it's much easier to be successful at live than online given relative skill levels, but I know a lot of good live players who I soul crush in the live arena who have had a lot more success than me online.
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12-29-2011 , 10:51 AM
Must like ponies
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12-29-2011 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by karamazonk
Related post I made about a year ago in another thread:

View: INFPs are good at live poker because our intuition helps us easily pick up betting/logical patterns of villains, our superior empathy helps us understand who's on tilt and what kinds of motivations are underlying villains' actions in a hand, and we're good at observing/focusing on the big picture.

View: INFPs are bad at online poker because it's much more difficult to suppress emotions in the privacy of our own homes and to stay focused on "T"-oriented decision making and avoid going on tilt. We also lose the benefit of our most dangerous live poker gifts of knowing people. Without that kind of information available, our decision-making is impaired. Online poker is all "N" for us with suppression of "F" instincts.

View: I am probably unfairly imputing my poker self-assessment to all INFPs.

Obv, it's much easier to be successful at live than online given relative skill levels, but I know a lot of good live players who I soul crush in the live arena who have had a lot more success than me online.
I don't think you're stretching here at all. I've pretty much come to the exact same conclusions. When I play online, I always feel like my skill set is of comparable, if not higher than some winning regs, but I constantly make dumb mistakes related to tilt that make me a losing player. I have almost identical stats to a number of winning 6 max regs, but our win rates are polar opposites.

I have a suspicion that I would have an easier time, if my world view, or specific view of humanity was more positive and less paranoid.
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12-30-2011 , 09:58 PM
There also seems to be a personality trait that results in guys that can't win anymore and were used to winning (or never were just whished they'd be) being somewhat likely to scam people.
But I guess that isn't only true for poker players i.e. firms that used to be profitable but go down the drain = guys scamming for some money/turning them into pyramid schemes etc. also happens

Maybe more sociopaths among poker players?

Last edited by clowntable; 12-30-2011 at 10:19 PM.
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01-02-2012 , 02:25 PM
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hmmm never thought of it this way. ive gotten intp pretty much everytime ive taken the test but suspect intj or infp are very close as well.
It being a self-test requires a high degree of honest self-awareness on our part and this honest self-awareness is not something we can assume to possess. With the outcome that some or even many people have produced a self assessed result that fits their desires.
So someone who wants to succeed at poker For example might choose answers that fit their 'ideal' poker playing persona resulting in an ENTJ or INTJ answer.
Thats why I believe many INTJ / ENTJ profiles are the result of wishful thinking.. and the same for many other profiles.
The best way to produce an accurate result would be assessment by a certified MBTI consultant.
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01-04-2012 , 11:39 AM
I'm a fan of Myers Briggs but you should know that there may be a big difference in two people who may score the same type.

For example two guys who are INTJ. One may be more extreme in each of these dimensions while the 2nd person is close to the middle.

I'm a ENTJ myself but I've alwasy strived to not score too high in each of these. I do tend to score higher on the N and the T though. Very moderate on E and J
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02-13-2012 , 12:40 AM
took the test a bunch of times after the first one (INFP) and have been an INFJ ever since. what it do, krantz?
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02-18-2012 , 03:31 AM
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took the test a bunch of times after the first one (INFP) and have been an INFJ ever since. what it do, krantz?
Are you male or female? (my guess is male)

Im an InFJ and its pretty rare to run into another INFJ male.
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02-21-2012 , 06:16 AM
I am an ENTJ

Strength of the preferences %

Extraverted - 44
Intuitive - 12
Thinking - 88
Judging - 22

moderately expressed extravert
slightly expressed intuitive personality
very expressed thinking personality
slightly expressed judging personality
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02-22-2012 , 07:40 PM
INTJ

feels good
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02-22-2012 , 07:56 PM
ENTP, been playing mostly 5/10-25/50 for a few years
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02-23-2012 , 07:19 PM
INTJ

Rated high in the Introverted and Thinking catagories.
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07-01-2012 , 06:10 AM
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if INTPs are the least common (by far) occurring personality in the general population and they are the second most common among poker players, wouldn't that make them the personality best suited for the profession?
Where are you getting this, I've seen discrepancies but everywhere I saw INTJ were less common in general population than INTP.

At wiki: 1–4% INTJ, 3–5% INTP.

Hard to think it would be "by far".
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07-03-2012 , 11:36 PM
Introverted (I) 60% Extroverted (E) 40%
Intuitive (N) 65.63% Sensing (S) 34.38%
Thinking (T) 70.59% Feeling (F) 29.41%
Perceiving (P) 55.56% Judging (J) 44.44%

Obv took the 1-5 scaled version.

On the yes/no version i scored ~10-25 on everything but the N/S distinction, where I was ~85.
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07-05-2012 , 04:40 AM
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Introverted (I) 60% Extroverted (E) 40%
Intuitive (N) 65.63% Sensing (S) 34.38%
Thinking (T) 70.59% Feeling (F) 29.41%
Perceiving (P) 55.56% Judging (J) 44.44%

Obv took the 1-5 scaled version.

On the yes/no version i scored ~10-25 on everything but the N/S distinction, where I was ~85.
I've been doing this personality theory crap for a long time, and based on watching some of your videos and reading your blog I think you are a pretty clear INTP.

If you're curious, other well-known probable INTP poker professionals include Galfond, Greenstein, luckychewy, and jungleman (who is hilariously INTP.)

One of the most common threads I've noticed in INTP players is their focus on the concept of balance in all things. The idea of internal, structural consistency has to be there for everything; every concept in the structure of an idea must imply another analogous concept, etc. This is one of the central themes of Introverted Thinking, the dominant function of INTPs.

Most of the INTP players that I've known tend to prefer approaching the game from the standpoint of making themselves as unexploitable as possible. Thinking in terms of macro-level ranges seems to make more sense to them than thinking in terms of trying to pinpoint precise, "this exact hand"-style reads relating to timing/sizing/physical tells. Your propensity for Bayesian probability is very much characteristic of Introverted Thinking.

This is as opposed to the dominant iNtuitive types, who often seem to prefer designing exploitative strategies and making precise reads on exact hands based on game flow, placing less emphasis on balance under the assumption that they will intuitively exploit their opponents to the point that they don't need as much balance.

For example, AEJones, who is the most blatantly obvious ENTP in the history of poker, is an extroverted iNtuitive dominant. (There are certainly successful players who are neither Thinking-dominant nor iNtuitive-dominant, but they're fairly uncommon at high stakes and many of them are much better live players than online.)

Anyway, I felt your discussion in HSNL with durrrr (who I have labeled as INFJ, an introverted iNtuitive-dominant type) regarding the existence of GTO strategy in HUNL really highlighted this difference especially well.

I thought it was really interesting that the guy approaches poker from such a profoundly intuitive/exploitative mindset that he doesn't understand relatively basic concepts like Nash Equilibrium. He kept devising arbitrary exploitative situations in which the GTO bot would be unable to adjust properly to his exploitative genius, as if those situations would ever come up in the first place against a true GTO bot, as if the GTO bot would ever need to adjust anything in the first place.

It's a testament to both his talent for creative exploitative play and his heavily iNtuitive-dominant nature, making millions intuitively exploiting people but missing central structural concepts inherent in game theory that a more Thinking-dominant player like yourself would find very obviously crucial to the whole concept of strategy games in general.

Sorry for the ramble--just thought I'd chime in, as I've enjoyed the few poker materials of yours that I've seen, and thought maybe you'd find some of this interesting.


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Where are you getting this, I've seen discrepancies but everywhere I saw INTJ were less common in general population than INTP.

At wiki: 1–4% INTJ, 3–5% INTP.

Hard to think it would be "by far".
Not to toot my own horn too much, but I probably have more experience with this particular model than anyone else in thread, and in my experience all of the xNxJ types are generally rarer than any of xNxP types in the overall population. (I myself am an ENTP, so I'm not bragging about special rarity or anything.)

I generally see INTJ as the 2nd rarest type overall, behind INFJ. INTP is something like 5th or 6th rarest. This changes if you divide by gender, as INTJ is the #1 rarest type among women, with INTP in a close 2nd...at least based on my own research/reading/personal experience with MBTI over the years.

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07-06-2012 , 02:16 AM
INTJ
56/100/100/44

Ive done tests like this a handful of times and I have always gotten INTJ but I never wrote down the past %s.
$100 husng player here.

Amazing how many INTJs and INTPs there are who play poker.
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07-06-2012 , 07:46 PM
INTJ
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07-09-2012 , 02:49 AM
When I was in my prime and on top of things I think I was ENFP...will retake test and post
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