ENTJ

Extravert(22%) iNtuitive(100%) Thinking(75%) Judging(11%)

Taken this a couple times in the last few years. Always get ENTJ. Live pro

INTJ
Introvert(22%) iNtuitive(25%) iNtuitive Thinking(50%) Judging(67%)

You have slight preference of Introversion over Extraversion (22%)
You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (25%)
You have moderate preference of Thinking over Feeling (50%)
You have distinctive preference of Judging over Perceiving (67%)




Played mostly 5-10nl to 20-40nl

INFJ / INFP

Introverted (I) 82% Extraverted (E) 18%
Intuitive (N) 64% Sensing (S) 36%
Feeling (F) 70% Thinking (T) 30%
Judging (J) 50% Perceiving (P) 50%

Im a winning small/micro-stakes SNG/MTT player. Made decent profit from playing tons of tourneys though. Agree on INFPs beeing bad in online poker, lol. Always seemed i just don't get it as fast as other guys do. Very interesting thread.

ENTP
Extravert(11%) iNtuitive(50%) iNtuitive Thinking(38%) Perceiving(33)%
You have slight preference of Extraversion over Introversion (11%)
You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (50%)
You have moderate preference of Thinking over Feeling (38%)
You have moderate preference of Perceiving over Judging (33%)

What is the predominant personality types of all poker players? I suspect that also has a high % of INTJ types. Is the unreliability noted in this test a result of the experiences of the person? (They noticed that a fair number of persons who took the exam a later time in their lives would have a different result). So is the poker player an INTJ type or is the INTJ personality a result of playing poker?

One observation I have made is about the famous (infamous) Nose Bleed poker players. This observation is not to be thought of in a negative way either (although Bipolar can be very detrimental in life) I find that most of them have Bipolar Disorder. An example I can give is Stu Unger.

Think of 10 famous poker players and I bet most of them will be Bipolar (please don't write anyone's names in a post here as I would never single out someone if they are alive). Just think how big of an advantage it would be to have an unending energy level for hours and hours and hours at a time with little or no decrease in one's cognitive skills and little need to sleep (and not using drugs). Intelligence is also a trait that is found in this disorder as well.

Obviously the traits that are detrimental are the ones that cause major setbacks in their lives if it cannot be controlled! Drug abuse, alcohol abuse and high risk taking traits can predominate and ruin their lives as a result. On top of these problems is the fact that medications to treat this disorder often do not work. It is a very difficult disease to treat.

There a lot of famous and successful people in the history of mankind who were suspected of suffering from this disorder. If you did a search on it, you would be very surprised. Anyone have any thoughts on this subject?

Thanks!
Scott

To be honest, the people who know what they're doing with this stuff don't give the test much weight. The types exist as sort of generalized archetypal concepts; they are not actually determined by a test. The tests are rather like those little questionnaires you can take online to tell you "what kind of movie you are", etc.

Personality type is about the paradigms through which one interprets and assigns meaning to information, develops a self-image and a way of relating to the world. A brief little questionnaire can't really assess this accurately.

It's important to note that this personality theory stuff is not science, but rather a form of cognitive philosophy that some people find helpful. There's no way to quantifiably prove anyone's type in the same way that there's no way to quantifiably prove that Dan Harrington is a nit. It's just a general label used for convenience.

To answer your question, people with INTJ-ish cognitive approaches tend to be well-suited to poker, but note also that there a hell of a lot of successful INTP poker pros, as well as a decent number of ENTP, ENTJ, ESTP, ISTP, ESTJ, ISTJ, and others.

Stu Ungar was a tournament player, but I imagine he did probably suffer quite a lot of nosebleeds, for reasons unrelated to gambling.


Sure, until your mood has a big downswing and you tilt off 10 buy-ins. I imagine there are a few like this, but I doubt that many would have the self-control necessary to succeed at high stakes. It's just too easy to spaz out and tilt off a ton of money when your emotions are that unstable.

First of all BPD is not a disease, and secondly there are a number of different disorders of varying severity along the bipolar spectrum. Cyclothymia, for instance, is one of the more mild ones, and is probably manageable enough to not cause super huge problems for a poker player. Bipolar I, on the other hand, is debilitating, and I doubt there are any highly successful poker players who have it. The variance is just too tilting.

Yes, but poker is not really comparable to the fields most of those people worked in because it requires such consistent self-discipline to succeed at. A bipolar artist can flip out and make terrible art for a while, then have a burst of insight/creativity and make something amazing, and end up extremely successful for it.

It doesn't take many dumb tilt-spew sessions to completely obliterate any chance of a reasonable win rate, though, especially at mid stakes and above.

I never said BPD was a disease, per se. But if you want to call it a condition then that's fine with me. In the future we will finally understand the neurobiological pathways and the "pathology" will be figured out. We might even be able to find all of the genetic correlations, etc. and the separate categories will be called a disease. BPD will phase out just like "comsumption" did with regards to tuberculosis. It will phase out in 30th version of the DSMV (I already reserved a copy for my shelf).

Persons suffering from BPD often do seek medical treatment for their mood swings. I really didn't want to get into the DSM-V 4 (I SEE IT IS NOW 5) classifications and didn't want to get into the specifics of the disorder other than common signs and symptoms seen.

Psychiatry was unappealing to me in medical school (6 weeks of total agony my 3rd year, lol) and remains so today. Nothing more fun than going to the ECT clinic Monday mornings and watch the V.A. patients get zapped. They should have named it Zombieland! The memory loss was profound!

Cyclothymia is one of the milder forms but it is often misdiagnosed as well. These persons are often diagnosed as having depression and receive antidepressants as a result. Oops- Then, they become a Bipolar 1 because he has a manic episode! He shouldn't be classified this way, but it happens! Getting sidetracked here.

It is the spectrum of the disorder that I have observed in people who play in the ultra high stake games as well as the high buy in poker tournaments. I can also see how the tournament structure is advantageous as a result of this condition as well. I never said they were successful poker players though! I know that most are not! Obviously, no one cares. Was just hoping to confirm the observations!

Nosebleeds! LOL! Good one. Stu Unger gambled at everything and he played high stakes poker as well. I am not sure how often though. Back then though, one rarely saw games bigger than $300-600 limit. Mike Sexton was Stuey's friend and I remember him talking about Stu playing in a $100-200 game whenever he had a bankroll (or was backed by someone).



Scott

intj

ENFJ

ESTJ

INTJ
heard that 30% of pro are INTJ/INTP is that true? can op edit his 1st post with some stats?

I don't have data on this, but if you're talking about online pros, then I'd estimate the number much higher than 30%, honestly.

With a few notable exceptions, almost all the most successful high stakes online pros are xNTx (you can tell from watching their training videos, reading interviews, etc.) and the majority of them are introverts.

(Note that this changes a lot when talking about live games, where you get a lot more xSTP types who are more naturally adept at utilizing physical information in handreading.)

INTP

ISTJ

5/10-10/20

I'm really terrible at this test

I took the one from http://kisa.ca/personality/results.php

Started out as ENFJ but I'm very sure I'm a INFJ. I read a description about them and it seems to fit me more, however just taking this text I've gotten:


Extraverted (E) 50% Introverted (I) 50%
Intuitive (N) 64% Sensing (S) 36%
Feeling (F) 65% Thinking (T) 35%
Perceiving (P) 73% Judging (J) 27%

I'm more curious about these tests/results since I think the INFJ matches me really well. I seem to fit into the INFP mold too, but feel stronger about being an INFJ.

So, in what way will I benefit knowing if I'm a INFJ vs INFP or perhaps something else?
If it benefits me a lot knowing, how can I go and find a more accurate test? For this test, I kept marking a lot of inbetweens but I think I'm just bad at these types of tests in general. It's hard to answer accurately...

INTJ

NL200-2k

ENFP


Extraverted (E) 64% Introverted (I) 36%
Intuitive (N) 64% Sensing (S) 36%
Feeling (F) 80% Thinking (T) 20%
Perceiving (P) 64% Judging (J) 36%


I echo a lot of Syous' concerns. (Syous imho when I hung out with you (NYC, Ktown) you seemed more like an INFP than anything but that was a very brief observation ) I seem to be unable to achieve an accurate/honest assessment which I'm quite curious about. Does anyone's result or perception of self change and thus inevitably change the result of the test depending on the time of day, etc?

INTP. Very accurate description from what I've read.

What about Jamie Gold?

INTP

following up on the ENFP post. I forgot to add that I play(ed) 200-1000nl 6m and was moderately successful as a poker player overall.

INTJ.
I think thats the rarest type also if I'm not mistaken. Not surprising someone posted INTJ dominates the poker world. When I took this in high school the room teased me because I was the only one in the grade that was this type, then the person who rated the test said it's the rarest type and highest paid one to the class haha.
Lots of Doctors and Lawyers are apparently this type? Personality traits and anything related to how the brain are always interesting. Interesting how it relates to poker players.

INTJ.

We should have a party with dancing girls and party hats.

AND THE RISK BOARD.

Dibs on Australia.

INTF

Generally considered 2nd rarest. INTJ doesn't dominate the poker world in general; INTJs and INTPs are both really common among online pros, and live poker tends to be dominated by xSxP types.

I've read studies estimating income by type, and INTJs are probably in the top four or five, but they're certainly not the highest paid overall. The two most money-making types seem to be ENTJ and ESTP because they have both the aggressive/competitive nature and the outward focus necessary to focus so heavily on dominating their external environments.

Certainly there are INTJ doctors and lawyers, but in my experience doctors are more often xSxJ and lawyers tend to vary a lot depending on what area of law we're looking at. Trial lawyers are most often extroverted; ExTx types show up more than anything else. But you see a lot of xSTJ types in areas like corporate law, contract law, etc. Entertainment lawyers are almost always ExxP types. It just depends a lot on the area of law.

INTJs show up a lot in areas like scientific research, management consulting, anywhere they can work on researching new methods for improving the efficiency of things. Sometimes they run their own businesses, but most don't care enough about impressing external society to end up getting themselves into super high positions of power and influence (which are generally filled by ENTJs, ENFJs, ESTPs, etc.) They just like to be autonomous and given the freedom to do things in the way they find most efficient, mostly.

So in other words, whatever ego you're deriving from being INTJ is probably misplaced (as any derivation of ego from one's personality type would be.)