+1. Not sure I agree with the word "evil" (or your spelling of "vultures"), but yeah, it's morally questionable. There is a point where the hush-hush approach becomes harmful exploitation of another human, and it doesn't exactly help change the reputation of poker players as shady hustlers.

Obviously this is to say nothing about perky's debt to Alec, which is 100% legitimate, and it seems reasonable for Alec to consider contacting the family to claim it.

I once had over 10k stolen from my house by my roommate. To which he denied anything/everything. He told me he was @ home all day except going to walmart for an 1hr. Yeah right.

The day before he moved out I ended up getting 2 dudez from the hood, told them where i lived and when he'd be there. They kicked the ***** out of him, zip tied him up and threw him in his car. They drove out to the woods, destination already had been established, and took him to the woods. He ended up telling them where the $$ was after they threatened to kill him (which was not an option). I gave them half. And he moved out the next day.

Point of the story: I'm not saying you got to go to that extent, but the poker players nowadays are such pu$$ys and let people steal $$ from them and there are no consequences except a bad wrap. WTF

Why didn't he just put it in a bank or something? You know, like 99.9% of people do with money.

Did he bury it?

so you were the mastermind of multiple felonies (with homicide being a possibility if something went wrong) all for $5k at the most (assuming a decent % chance he didn't have the money anymore or, you know, the hoodlums just robbed you as well)?

even if the kid would never go to the police, if any concerned family member got involved you could have been stuck in a federal prison for multiple years. possibly still can depending on how recent this was.

that might be the dumbest story i've ever heard someone tell on an internet forum.

... What?

Bolded part is 100% true

Deny everything

i think you should just consider the money lost and leave the kid alone. (unbiased IMO)

dumb? yes, true, yes. This was about 5 years ago & at that time i wasn't worried about the consequences. i tried my best to cover my tracks. Many details have been left out, but i acted on my emotions and glad i didn't go to prison now that i think about it.

he had it hidden in his car, it was in the cloth in the leather seat.

That guy in question, died about 2 years ago in car accident. His testimony is hearsay

why would they do that? debts are debts, decent people pay their, it is not like he was forced to anything (I assume). Can you elaborate pls cause atm I disagree /w every single word you`ve written so far.

I believe he thinks that the rehab place will say that paying off the kid's debts would be enabling him and showing him that there are no negative consequences of his actions. Not only do I not think that that is what a rehab place would say, I also think it's false given the parents in this instance have (obvious) other methods of punishing the kid.

I said they would advise the parents to not pay the debt. I didn't say they would advise the gambler to not pay his debts.

If you or Citanul would just use google you would see this is the case. And you would see the reasoning behind it too.

I feel like I am in bizarro-world because I am writing things which I consider patently obvious and people are telling me they disagree with everything I am saying.

Listen, I agree that debts are debts. In my mind, if you don't pay a debt (including gambling debts) it is the equivalent of stealing. Most people don't feel this way about gambling debts. Hell, most people don't even pay normal debts if it is going to crimp their style (talking about legally unenforceable debts obv).

You should probably look into this before you comment further in this thread.