ok, last month i posted hand in here and the comment that sticks in my tiny brain was, "this suggests that your not ready for this level, gl with your futures endevours", from xorbie i think

Well, unperturbed, like a dog with rabies, that keeps coming back for more after you kick it, here i am again having another pop at teh bigtime

thanks for the replys last time chaps, what do you think of this one

villain is 28/19/5, over decent sample. steals teh blinds 35. plays as his stats suggest, no other reads other than hes an aggro bastard

$10/$20 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($1006.00)
UTG+1 ($1783.00)
CO ($2932.00)
BTN ($2000.00)
SB ($1980.00)
Hero ($2174.00)

Pre-flop: ($30, 6 players) Hero is BB 8 A
4 folds, SB raises to $60, Hero calls $40

Flop: T 8 K ($120, 2 players)
SB bets $115, Hero calls $115

Turn: 6 ($350, 2 players)
SB bets $285, Hero raises to $920, SB calls $635

River: K ($2190, 2 players)
SB bets $885, Hero calls $885

the turn indicates you are not ready for this level, but neither are a lot of people playing in the same game, so don't let that deter you

what are you doing on the turn and how do you not ship what little remains left in on the river?

lol

i always flat the turn here, and ship the river

haha, be nice, i watch your videos, and ordered your t-shirt

im bet/calling. big match nerves take over for some reason at 10/20. i got some sort of mental block that makes me over aggro. so the raise is really bad uh?

pretty sure he shoved river, not sure why thats not shown in hh

fwiw, he is all in on the river. and yea, like everyone said, dont raise the turn.

Folding flop some of the time and always call the turn.

why is raising the turn so bad on a semi bluff

i may well have the best, albeit fragile hand, and i put tons of pressure on hands that beat me, ace10, kX etc

because semibluff has the word bluff in it and given your hand on the turn doing anything but calling is meh.

no need to call me out.


OP

The turn is bad because while he will occasionally fold Kx or whatever that is slightly better than your hand, by raising you are giving up any sort of positional advantage for the river.

You also drive out lower flush draws that you will auto stack on a spade river.

He is giving you a chance to hit many of your outs if you are behind on the river and by raising you are just narrowing his range that continues to hands that beat you.

i still dont see it.

ok i shoulda called turn, but how bad an error can it be. if i get a fold out of weak kings, all 10s,although 10x makes up a dimishing part of villains range when he bets large on turn, and charge draws

is it really that bad?

The problem is, and what previous posters have explained, is that you're getting very close to immediate odds on the turn... plus you have the best hand a small percentage of the time. An 8 should be good the vast majority of the time, and if you very conservatively treat the ace as 1 out instead of 2, you make your hand about 25% of the time and he's laying you 2.2 to 1. Pretty much anything you can extract on the river once you make your hand is free money especially because you are IP. Furthermore, what irockhoes is saying is that your hand has a ton of equity and that optimal bluffing strategy would entail bluffing when your equity is very low compared to your opponent's.

thnks^^

i just thought my bet may drive out kx 10x, and even get a mistake call from inferior draws

great analysis, many thanks. back to the drawing board for me

fwiw, he had 34ss