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09-27-2008 , 06:34 AM
The SB is a good buddy of mine, and he suggested I post this from Gabe's POV before revealing what he had.

Since SB has not shown down much over a couple hours, it is unlikely that Gabe has much of a read. But he is a young Vegas 5/10-10/20 pro that is taking a shot in the game; we don't know if Gabe knows he is taking a shot. In the only notable hand he has played, SB checked behind a winning two pair on a fairly wet board, suggesting that he is playing cautiously.

7-handed 50/100 with a 200 ante on the btn. Gabe has 99 in the CO.

Preflop
Gabe opens 400, SB calls.

Flop (1100): KK6 rainbow.
Check/check.

Turn (1100): 9.
Check, Gabe bets 800, SB raises to 2500, Gabe calls.

River (6600): 4.
SB bets 3800, Gabe raises to 11500, SB quickly shoves for 24800.

Call or fold?

Last edited by PokerFink; 09-27-2008 at 06:46 AM.
09-27-2008 , 06:43 AM
i call and be pretty confident i beat 66
09-27-2008 , 06:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerFink
The SB is a good buddy of mine, and he suggested I post this from Gabe's POV before revealing what he had.

Since SB has not shown down much over a couple hours, it is unlikely that Gabe has much of a read. But he is a young Vegas 5/10-10/20 pro that is taking a shot in the game; we don't know if Gabe knows he is taking a shot. In the only notable hand he has played, SB checked behind a winning two pair on a fairly wet board, suggesting that he is playing cautiously.

7-handed 50/100 with a 200 ante on the btn. Gabe has 99 in the CO.

Preflop
Gabe opens 400, SB calls.

Flop (1100): KK6 rainbow.
Check/check.

Turn (1100): 9.
Check, Gabe bets 800, SB raises to 2500, Gabe calls.

River (6600): 4.
SB bets 3800, Gabe raises to 11500, SB shoves for 24800.

Call or fold?
fold hes got quads, sb flatted because hes playing "cautiously", he checks the flop because "Hey I GOT QUADS, ILL CHECK HERE". The rest is value city obv, and the reason u posted it from gabes point of view is cuz theres nothing to discuss when someone has quads.

I bet gabe folded his 99 face up

Last edited by bobbyG; 09-27-2008 at 06:55 AM.
09-27-2008 , 06:58 AM
calllllllll jesus
09-27-2008 , 07:08 AM
i have no idea how gabe plays, but by raising the turn, i would assume that 99 is far and away his most likely hand given preflop and him not cbetting with maybe some occassional delayed bluff stuff so I can't think of a single hand I would want to c/r here on the river other than quads.
09-27-2008 , 07:10 AM
I have not played with Gabe, but he has been described to me as just super super solid, always in control, perhaps slightly nitty.
09-27-2008 , 07:32 AM
snap call
09-27-2008 , 08:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbyG
fold hes got quads, sb flatted because hes playing "cautiously", he checks the flop because "Hey I GOT QUADS, ILL CHECK HERE". The rest is value city obv, and the reason u posted it from gabes point of view is cuz theres nothing to discuss when someone has quads.

I bet gabe folded his 99 face up

LOOOL! Of cours is a call, not important the result here.
09-27-2008 , 08:52 AM
super snap call. wtf.
09-27-2008 , 08:56 AM
seriously?
09-27-2008 , 10:09 AM
If your friend wants some sort of comfort in the fact he donked off his money on a ridiculously dumb bluff, then I dont think he will get it here.
09-27-2008 , 11:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbyG
fold hes got quads, sb flatted because hes playing "cautiously", he checks the flop because "Hey I GOT QUADS, ILL CHECK HERE". The rest is value city obv, and the reason u posted it from gabes point of view is cuz theres nothing to discuss when someone has quads.

I bet gabe folded his 99 face up
This is backwards reasoning based on the information posted in the OP.

Nobody folds 99 in this spot, nor should they. You do realize you're getting ~2.5~1 on the river call right?
09-27-2008 , 11:57 AM
but does everybody agree that 99 only beats a bluff? why would everybody here snap call with a bluffcatcher against a guy of which you do not have a real read other than that he might be "cautios" and without any history between the both? a snap call here is like: "oh i have got a full house, i have got the nuts!" to call here with 99 would at least deserve some thoughts...
09-27-2008 , 12:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrifter
This is backwards reasoning based on the information posted in the OP.

Nobody folds 99 in this spot, nor should they. You do realize you're getting ~2.5~1 on the river call right?
I know, im just tryin to figure out what OP is getting at with this post. Gabe Thaler obv cannot fold this barring some very strong live tell.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sickofitall
but does everybody agree that 99 only beats a bluff? why would everybody here snap call with a bluffcatcher against a guy of which you do not have a real read other than that he might be "cautios" and without any history between the both? a snap call here is like: "oh i have got a full house, i have got the nuts!" to call here with 99 would at least deserve some thoughts...
99 also beats 66 which is a big part of our heros range here.
09-27-2008 , 12:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sickofitall
but does everybody agree that 99 only beats a bluff?
no
09-27-2008 , 12:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JFsports
no

**** no. fyp
09-27-2008 , 12:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbyG
99 also beats 66 which is a big part of our heros range here.
to come over the top here otr with 66 in a plain game without reads and history just would suck pretty hard. so if ops "friend" is not completely ******ed he has K9, KK, or nothing
09-27-2008 , 12:40 PM
considering that your buddy checked 2 pair previously his range is K9, K6, KK, and almost never 66. I think 99 only beats a bluff, cautious money never ever shoves 66 here live. Online sure or against some random but live I don't see guys with a clue shoving 66 into a great pro here and I don't really ever see these kind of bluff live either. Maybe you flipped it around cause Gabe might be able to pull this bluff off with a lone K

Last edited by NLfool; 09-27-2008 at 12:49 PM.
09-27-2008 , 12:40 PM
lol this is the snappiest of snapcalls. Who tricked you into thinking this was interesting?
09-27-2008 , 12:45 PM
NLfool,

why do you think he is flatting K6 in the sb to a good players CO raise? That would make 0 sense to me.

I can't even see him flatting K9 here, at least not very often (it would have to be soooted)...maybe he had one of those random, "Ima defend K9 here but for no real reason" moments.

but yea, snap call.
09-27-2008 , 12:51 PM
wow wat who in the f*** ever folds here
09-27-2008 , 01:41 PM
Unless there's some crazy history going on [or either SB or Gabe was tilting], this is a fold.

Kx is the worst hand that Gabe has if he takes this line for value; SB knows that Gabe isn't moronic enough to call a river 3-bet unless he has 66 beats.

Combinations be damn.
09-27-2008 , 01:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by easycall
NLfool,

why do you think he is flatting K6 in the sb to a good players CO raise? That would make 0 sense to me.
200 button ante I defend liberally. Really I don't ever see myself folding 99 to some random here either but we were given info that wasn't privy to the other guy
09-27-2008 , 01:57 PM
You said he's playing cautiously which means he's also playing tight, which probably means the only thing you lose to is KK. This is a snap call. Expect to see AK or a lower house here almost everytime.
09-27-2008 , 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowHabit
Unless there's some crazy history going on [or either SB or Gabe was tilting], this is a fold.

Kx is the worst hand that Gabe has if he takes this line for value; SB knows that Gabe isn't moronic enough to call a river 3-bet unless he has 66 beats.

Combinations be damn.
wrong. People from Gabe's point of view could concievably be playing AK/KQ like this. If Gabe is able to lay down 99 here, then your buddy must be one of the most exploitable players on earth.

      
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