Theft is when someone steals someone else's money. If this happens call the cops.

Breaking an agreement is when you don't think you were paid as agreed to by another party. When this happens call an attorney.

Recruiting players to a busto site with promises of inside pull and quick pay, then demanding a piece of a players account you get "access to" when the site goes upside down with promises that more is coming is really kind of sketchy and I would recommend long rambling posts on 2 + 2 full of hyperbole and wild accusations backed by shill accounts to see if you can shake something out of the tree. I think this might work better at lower stakes though.

the reason you don't wanna speak to his attorney is because you know you don't have a leg to stand on .


if doug is owed money by you or the site , it isn't stealing , its his!

I guess its convenient for you to go on about the 50k that's yours/blew's but what about the over money that's owed , shall we just forget about that ?

maybe you shouldn't big up "your site" without knowing how shady it is.

So who is the owner and who is the CEO of this site?

Maybe he always knew how shady it was

If Doug agreed to send money to blewjob shouldn't he send to blewjob? Also people who are saying he is opening himself up to payment processing etc... I'm sure the chances are slim but by not paying Blewjob haven't helped because this thread has been created.

FWIW I got stiffed a very small amount and I believe Jay is being truthful here.

A thief would not have transferred the $30K then suggest to talk to his lawyer on his dime about the balance, he'd just refuse to pay anything. Jay's contention that he is getting stiffed has some validity, but Doug is not refusing to pay he is saying there is a disagreement about the facts that need to be worked out. We just don't have all the info to know for sure and the info out there raises more questions than it answers. The key question is what was Doug led to believe regarding his balance due and that of other players and did that understanding or lack thereof affect his agreement to pay out to Blewjob?

ofc Jay is being truthful here and the most logical thing to do would be just what you agreed to do.
Pay BJ his money!

Jay went back and forth with Doug for months. The last straw was when he congratulated Doug on his bracelet win and asked him if they can talk or meet to get this resolved finally. Doug said he was too busy because of EDC.
For those of you not in the know that is the annual Electronic Dance Music festival in Las Vegas LMAO. Really? You too busy playing with your glow sticks? C'mon you gotta be kidding me! You can't make this up! When he showed me this text and asked my opinion I was like bro you gotta post. Talk about getting shown the finger.

Dan

Just chiming in to note here that regardless of any legs to stand on.. it's going to be pretty difficult to go against someone lawyering you when it comes to online poker funds especially in circumstances like this (I mean just look at the chat logs.. these guys aren't businessmen, just your average online poker joes).

When you bring a lawyer into the situation, to me it's basically like a "checkmate, i currently have the money in my account, you're gunna have to talk to a lawyer to get it from me" (which will obv be super difficult/stressful/expensive to do).. and to me is just a huge duchebag move, when it's obvious this situation could be settled much more fairly and efficiently bringing it to the high stakes poker community to at least cast an opinion on.


Also, still curious about how did pokerone payout overall compared to the other merge sites?, during the time it was open and overall as well.

Other merge skins were taking I believe about 45-60 days for checks at the time at a max of $2500 for U.S. players. If I remember correctly skrill for ROW were taking 2-3 weeks around that time but not sure what the max was there.

U.S. players on the major skins were being charged anywhere from 7-25 % vig for cashouts that were facilitated thru row players for bank wires or thru us players who wanted to just buy the chips at a discount.

Pokerone was doing cashouts sometimes same day and never more than a week I think at least from the people I know who were getting cashouts. Not sure of the time frame when this all changed to get to the present situation

It can't hurt you jay to talk to his lawyer, regardless of who it is. If you really feel like you've been shafted for 50k and believe you're side of the argument is legitimate, why haven't you contacted a attorney? Get them to talk to whoever doug wants to represent him.

People are owed a lot of money due to the skin going under/being run by scumbags? A site which you promoted and benefited well from? Do you feel at fault at all for players being out of pocket to the tune of over half a million dollars? How much money did you actually profit directly from players signing up and "winning" on this site?

I find myself handcuffed here due to the legal bounds of what I am and am not able to explain/what I would want to involve myself in, which is frustrating to me because I really care about this subject and feel quite compassionate about my stance.

I do want to make sure this is clear though, my obligation is to the players owed. I will be dispersing the funds to the owed parties, with my individual share being a very small minority. Additionally we had over a half a million dollars stolen from us as a group, do not forget that this is a debt that was caused by Jay's recruitment for us onto "his" site.

can you stop acting a shill for a second and answer this

My only limited experience with Jay was playing with him briefly on Merge several years ago. At that time he didn't really seem like the best guy but only because he seemed to like to needle fish and that sort of thing, but I mean that's not really enough to say that because of that he's gonna be a thief or whatever. That chat log where he's telling people come on this site I own a skin now while not owning it seems pretty shady though.

WCG, would your half a million 100% be in your pockets right now if you had stayed on the other skin?

Originally Posted by cheet View Post
how do you feel about Jay recruiting people ITT to pokerone by telling them he's the owner and runs the casheir, but apparently telling you he is not an owner/cashier and just an affiliate?
cause he isnt the owner lol
if u dont believe me ask doug you douche

ofc i am shill when i speak the facts
but u jacking off doug are as straight as they come
god what a joker

nice job trying to change the narrative by the way.....
lol

Yes, but you still never actually answered the question. The question isn't whether or not he actually IS the owner or not. The question was how do you feel about him telling people he is when he isn't to recruit them?

There is a huge contrast between how things are dealt with in the poker community compared to the, for want of a better expression, real life community as a whole. If there is even a small doubt in Doug's mind about the legality of the cash out, transferring the funds, etc then it is obviously prudent to seek legal counsel.

depechbnkn, i think that there are many people reading your responses that partly agree with Cheet's comment. You come across as wholly unobjective and unequivocal in your reasonings in what is like a complex matter, doesn't really make much sense. You talk about facts but the facts seem extremely blurred judging by what Jay has said in the thread compared to what Jay has said in the transcripts posted in the thread.

I'm bored, so I just re-read the OP and I have to obviously give a big +1 to this ^


Doug, when you tell the OP to "talk to your lawyer" what exactly does that mean? Like, what are you expecting him to say to your lawyer, and what are you expecting your lawyer to say to him? Or is this just your way of saying "i don't want to be bothered by you, ur not getting the money".

To me it sounds like you and your crew "broke merge". It feels like if you had run up this high of balance on pretty much any site then that skin would have been the one to fall through, and that it wasn't specifically a pokeroone situation. I gather this from merge shutting down high stakes tables etc after ur guy's upswing. Do you disagree with this? I mean looking at how all these small US sites have paid out since black friday, does anyone have success stories of easily moving 500k off a site?

I can't speak to jays frame of mind in terms of what he wrote on IM years ago. I will leave it to jay to answer those things for himself.
i can only post about what i know is true (jay isn't the owner of PokerOne)
He is traveling for the next several weeks overseas but he is monitoring this thread every few days or so and I expect him to continue posting. I can also reach him if need be.

In terms of this being a complex matter i am inclined to disagree and that is ofc only my opinion. Doug agreed to take a wire in exchange for his cut and an agreed upon disbursement. He then reneged on that agreement. He agreed to send BJ 50k. He took his money and did with it as he wished. He declined to send BJ the agreed upon 50k. That seems pretty cut and dried to me.
Dan

That is a decent point that Jay got the wire (basically free money that would have been stolen from them) sent to them in the first place

EXACTLY
If he was a scum bag he could've had the wire sent to himself with no one the wiser. Out of this wire that went to Doug he took zero for himself even though he was still owned a six figure sum from pokerone. Am i the only one seeing the logic in all this? He went above and beyond trying to get everyone paid and he is still in the red himself. Just send BJ his 50k already!

Dan

There is missing data here. He did not just have a change of heart. From what I can tell from this thread, Doug found out additional information regarding the wire he was receiving, additional information about who was sending the wire and additional information about who was going to be paid from the wire. Doug then decided to seek legal counsel based on that newly discovered information and not do anything with the money until it was settled legally. Not sure why this is so hard to understand.

Read previous posts WCG never had half a million invested in this.

Its hard to understand because it isnt true. He knew where the wire was coming from in advance. What additional information about who was going to be paid? He had already agreed to send 50k to BJ. What missing data?

Doug was in fact playing on credit....