I dunno maybe this has already been discussed, but does anyone else think its completely unethical for multiple people to be using this account? Perhaps this is some common practice I don't know about, but in my brief glance at this thread no one seems to have even made a peep about it. It's not as if knowing your opponent is a minor point of headsup play, and here we are playing 300-600.

Not only that but the player is a paid representative of the site. In all honesty I think that if there was any proof of someone else using this account, the player who played against them should be entitled to a 100% refund should they have lost any money.

Anyway I think its disgusting. First its disgusting of the players involved to take advantage of their opponent lkie this. I find this as bad if not worse than what ZJ did, yet in that case we get a 200 page thread about how he's a giant cheater, whereas here it's like no big deal.

Secondly it's disgusting of FTP to turn a blind eye to this. Based on the comments I've seen in this thread this is clearly happening and most people know about it.

I mean really wtf? How do you guys who lambasted ZJ over and over just sit back and ignore this and instead just casually analyze the hand in question. It's unbelievably hypocritical that no one is making a big stink out of this.

Because he's PA?

And/Or maybe some of our users have done the same thing on our friends' accounts?

And/Or it's easier to target one person and follow the crowd than to target a group of "online celebrities?"

I don't think the anything can be done about multiple people using the same account, nor is there anything really wrong with it - insofar as everyone should accept it as a possibility and just deal with it.

The problem is that he is a representative of the site, supposedly using his real name. That's the bigger issue in my mind, and FTP shouldn't stand for that.

Well obviously it's much more egregious of an offense due to the second part of your post. Nonetheless I believe that most sites would call it illegal. I recall Pokerstars making a public claim as such when Exclusive took over for a friend at the end of a big MTT, but I could be mistaken.

Whether or not it's illegal, I do think it's extremely unethical. Of course it's all relative. If I am hanging out with my dad and casually helping him with some $5 MTT, is it the same as someone playing at a $300-$600 headsup table under another handle? It's tough to draw the line as to when it's okay and when it isn't. But okay I think in this case it's a clear and drastic moral violation, not only by the players who are being paid to represent the site, but for the site for not cracking down on it.

I remember exclusive took over for Marcel Luske under el capitan and stars said that was a unique situation and is against terms and services but I know David Benyamine is known to have 5+ handles on FTP and if you are a high stakes player that generates a lot of action, they just dont seem to have any problem with it.

I hate to stereotype but because it's fun sometimes, I'm going to do it. Is it ironic that FT is run by a bunch of live professional players?

This isn't a justification, but maybe one of the reasons this doesn't shock/offend many people that much is because the effects of covering up your name should be relatively short-lived. I mean, screen names sometimes bias somebody but (especially in HU sessions) you normally figure out how a guy's playing based on how he's playing, not player notes. So it's not like the advantage of using someone else's sn is SO huge: after 15 minutes or so your opponent's sn should be mainly irrelevant.

Those first 15 minutes can definetely hurt though.

FWIW this was my thoughts. However, I wouldn't have the balls to call with a pair of sevens here, so I would end up folding while saying something like "[censored] Antonius is too sick".

i would say AXd, but he would prob. raise the flop with that, only hands that really makes sense to me are any 9, a smaller pocket pair, or complete air.

nevermind, just saw results.

fwiw, im not betting this river very often if ever. HOWEVER, if i did, id be calling the shove against antonius. if he thinks ur bluffing or betting real light aba's right, hes check shoving everything on that river. its a really sick spot. holla

god this is a sick hand...

i don't see anyway i can give any type of real analysis on this hand. you're both thinking players and the flow of the match up to this point obviously can make this an insta call or an insta fold

the fact that you say you dont have much history together probably makes me lean towards a call. your line is pretty much face up as a one pair hand, though i think it looks more like an Ace than anything else. he could have gotten to the river with a wide range of hands, esp missed draws and small pairs - hands that all would probably do better to check raise or fold than call in this spot. since you say you dont have much history, i wouldnt assume he's thinking on too many ridiculous levels, ie: "he knows you know that he knows his line could definitely be a bluff since he knows your line is not too strong

im kinda drunk so that prob didnt make any sense but hey i gave it a shot.

ps: whatever you thought to do in that spot, i would just go with your instincts. there's a reason you play so high. your subconscious is doing a far better job taking in all the little details that your mind doesnt consciously notice and that we certainly cant consider here on an internet forum

bump for awesomeness

(got linked to it in another thread)

wow, I never have read this thread, thanks for the bump.

Nice Post.

and Jman, update your blog...