hand 1

5/10/25(button) hold em game, late into the session so stacks are pretty deep. villain in hand is one of the best 6max / hu plo players in state but spewy in FR hold em. a lot of light 3betting/4 betting between us, and i def have historically called him down too light.

two fish limp, i have A5 utg +2and decide to limp because villain and the best player in game are both in LP and i get 3bet a high percentage here, i'd rather play a single raised pot here and keep the 2 fish in hand. villain raises to 125, one fish calls (3k) and i call. (9k eff)

flop: A 5 3

fish checks, i check, villain bets 225. fish folds, i c/r to 625. villain quickly 3bets flop to 1100

wtf is your plan in this hand with 9k eff? what board run outs are you calling down on, if any? we have a history with a lot of overbetting fwiw so he can likely get stacks in by river

hand 2

hu 5/10 hold em with auto raise to 25 on button against same villain. 10k effective. unreasonable amount of 4bet pots.

my button, he 3 bets to 90, i 4 bet to 200 with 84, he calls.

flop: 8910

he checks, i check behind. (thoughts? he c/r these types of boards often, i'd obv be folding best hand a ton here)

turn: 8 BOOM
he checks, i bet 325, he c/r to 900. i call.

river:q
he leads for 3200
now you...?

Hand 1 Im not folding. Im calling and calling pretty much all turns too. A spade turn sucks but Im not giving up just yet. If turn river is like 8T or blanks Im call calling

Hand 2 sucks but Im just folding here

in hand 1, you're sticking with it? turn is offsuit 10, he bets 2.4k, you call.
river offsuit 8 (obv best possible run out) and he jams remaining 5.5k. still calling?

i wanted to puke on the turn because i knew the river shove was coming and call/call/call feels gross here

Villain never has 2 4 here. We have blockers to A5 and AA. Does he really raise it up here with 33 pre? I mean stove it. But against a range of AA 33 55 A5 AK AQ AJ and like all flush draws Im fairly certain we have great equity.

Huh? I really doubt the AJ-AK are in his range, and hes def not always 3-betting all FD there. I think with your history it's a fold on the river

i agree 100%, 3 betting all his flush draws this deep in a single raised pot is suicidal, he isn't dumb. so you're calling brick turns and folding brick rivers?

I guess, it's an inflection point thing. Is he the type to bluff in situations that are truly suicidal knowing we will be aware of that and make good folds? Is there any reason for him to think you are especially weak here (body language, other intangibles).

I dont think my original estimation is a terrible range at all. With what you are saying you are essentially giving him a range of sets only and really like AA only because I dont think he raises with 33 55

he is that good, and i know he's that good, but i highly doubt he is giving me credit for thinking on that level. and as far as live tells, i did tank on the turn much longer than i have in any hand i've ever played against him (i usually act pretty quickly)

i feel like he is always raising 33 and 55, i limped and we are close to 400bbs effective. he needs to be able to get money in when he flops a set + initiative in hand

Well this is good to know. I dont think anyone can help you here honestly. Flip a coin. You seem to have played with him a ton. Looks alot like a set but tough to fold readless but with your reads its all about what u think he has and your feel

hand 1 make it 2850, go allin on turn.

hand 2 I fold, villain isn't bluffing here nearly often enough to call.

man hand 1 is so gross. Id like to think hes more inclined to have 67 of spades before a set but being out of position im not sure what id do. Hand 2 is a pretty easy fold..

Hand 1.. 1 combo AA/55, 3 combo 33. one combo of 67ss.

Do we routinely over-limp hands like A5s/A3s in EP? If so, our perceived range should look pretty strong to villain (A5s/A3s/33/55/67s/Kxss, Qxss)

When our perceived range is stronger vs a thinking player I think he's less inclined to 3ball semi-bluffs and always 3balling the top of his range. So maybe 3-4 combos of spades (67s/34s/KQs-KJs), and exactly 5 combos of sets.

Looks like a call / c/f any spade turn, c/c Kx/7x/6x or heart turn preparing to stack off on blank river, maybe call a blank turn.

I suppose a lot of hand 1 depends on the player. The read you have to make is: Will he fire 3 streets with 100% of his flop 3ballin range...even on the blankest of run-outs? Then.. adjust.

When you say a lot of light 3/4betting between the two of you do you mean postflop as well or moreso pre? If theres a lot of playing back between you two post as well you gotta be feeling great about this spot with top two, otherwise you have no value range. Would call flop now and call down. Also like leading flop here into him (unless hes always cbetting this board) to maybe induce vs him but also to ensure he doesn't check behind so you are able to get more money in vs the fish.

Hand 2 fold. 4b bigger pre with stacks.