Have you ever played poker in a casino? Have you ever played in the "high stakes" room of a casino? The regular players can bully most dealers into doing whatever the hell they want. All kinds of ridiculous stuff happens at these tables.

Considering your picture was posted here, I think it's good we are able to at least see what happened from your perspective.

This is what I hate about live poker.

This is what I hate about live poker.

He had 39.3% equity, so he was ripping you off a bit.

I understand how you could be confused. First of all, you have never participated in an equity chop before. Secondly, you are in involved in a big hand and the adrenaline may be running. Lastly, anyone who has played live poker knows exactly how chaotic a scene like the one you are describing can get.

There must be someone at Foxwoods that you guys both trust? I think this kind of situation calls for a mediator. Although I hate playing with people like Todd, who **** their pants every time they face a big bet and hold up the game with needless theatrics for literally 10 minutes or more, my opinion is that you owe him 39.3% of the pot. I totally believe that in the midst of all of that chaos, that you didn't 100% understand what you were agreeing too. Still, you DID agree to it.

What I am saying is that you should get someone you BOTH know and respect (not that POS Frankie) to mediate this dispute.

I have played with you many times and have never seen you act overly obnoxious, nor do anything unethical. Now that you've had some time to cool down and understand what this nit Todd was actually proposing to you, I think it is clear you owe him some money. Why not bring in someone to mediate the dispute?

As for getting banned from Foxwoods, that really sucks. Eventually they will let you back though.

Is this a level? The way you type makes it sound like you're joking but I think you're trying to be serious. Pretty funny tbh.

oh so you made a deal, but it wasn't your deal, it was his deal?

OK.

Sounds like he did you a favour.

Brooklyn72 actually raises some fair points.

I think the moral of the story is that while Foxwoods was incorrect to life-ban the OP, he was foolish to attempt to equity chop in the first place.

While we all know the OP is a reputable person, Brooklyn72 may have been thrown off by (a) the pressure to complete the deal quickly and (b) the phrase "equity chop". Thus, he may have felt he was being ripped off.

If there's anything to be taken away from this thread, it's this!

I have no idea how you could have concluded that the equity chop was for something other than the full pot. That being said, the entire scene sounds very chaotic and annoying for the other players at the table, especially the idea of two players delaying the game to have a private discussion about how to accomplish an equity chop in a casino that does not allow business. Here's the thing, the part where one guy says, "I folded two diamonds, you should get better odds" is going to happen more times than not, and it usually will lead to a five minute debate about the merits of factoring dead cards into the equity chop. This is why equity chops are infinitely more annoying than running it twice, and why I'm happy they are not allowed at Foxwoods.

So the bottom line was that the whole scene spun entirely out of control and you both got banned. Admittedly, the lifetime bans seems ridiculous, but still, doing this deal was not worth any amount of aggravation for either of you, much less this sort of aggravation.

Hey Brooklyn 72. We all know you are full of ****t,we all know there is no way frankie put you in the game(because we all know frankie is a bustout and if he had money that day he would not have put you in,he would have put himself in). Stop trying to change the story I was at the table and saw everything go down. You are WHITE TRASH. You ****edd Hek out of his money. Now you put a tough guy attitude on. Sorry but that doesnt fly here, and there is nothing you can do besides flap your mouth and show that you are truly WHITE TRASH. You state you lost 20k playing blackjack. I am willing to bet you don't know what 20k looks like. Now take your little friend FF and go back into your little hole in Brooklyn where you belong. WHITE TRASH.

So you admit to stealing $250 from Frankie? You are a stand up guy.

I was at the next table over when this all happened.
Todd clearly explained to you that if you won the hand you owed him 2,500 and what he owed you if he won. He had enough time to pull out his iphone and go through the numbers with you while the floor was watching. You then agreed and the dealer dealt the turn and river. Plz don't act like you were all surprised when Todd expected you to pay him $2,500.

theres a guy named FRAN who lives in NJ and lots of times carries a cigar, he was in vegas during the WSOP and always talking about smoking weed and is a bit of an ASS. thats not who Frankie is it? sure seems unfair, guess ull be playing at mohegan sun poker room for awhile? ive been barred outta casinos before too for things i feel were unfair 10-15 yrs ago ive never tried to reinstate.

This. Seriously, there is 0 chance Todd would try to fk someone here.

LOL @ 'i figured $1k'. Maybe you should cut out BOTH the blackjack and poker dude.

Maybe you didn't understand when Brooklyn was telling 'his side(THE TRUTH)'

OK, but why did he lie to the guy about his equity? His equity was not 40%. It was 39.3%, which is a difference of about $50. Why would he want to steal $50 from this poor guy who doesn't understand equity chops? Does he know how to "use" his phone in order to work out unfair equity deals, in order to profit?

Why did he ask for $2,500 when even his over-estimate of 40% is less than $2,500?

You see how easy it is to take everything you read on an internet forum as gospel and go crazy ripping into people? You guys need to calm the **** down. You weren't there, and that includes the guy who was "at the next table".

"Todd" should contact this guy and work out how to get the money he is owed. Everyone else should calm the **** down with acting like Todd is some martyr. His ridiculous actions contribited to this cluster****.

Yes, he got jobbed. He is owed money. Just calm the **** down.

lol, you sound like you're the one worked up dude. Noone else is swearing and telling people to 'calm the **** down'. just lol.

Were you there? You're ripping on him assuming he didn't show him exact equity when common sense would instead assume that Todd SHOWED him the screen on his phone.

Do you even know either of the players here or are you just trying to show off your auditing skills? Also, please clarify which of Todd's actions were ridiculous?

"the kid" was actually a WPT winner, an extremely good poker player, and a very nice, humble person. Obviously he did not take 10 minutes to act on each hand. The times you started complaining, voicing your frustration, and asking him demeaning questions such as "how long have you been playing poker, kid?" were times when he had taken around 45-90 seconds in what were really tough spots.

If you really want to go into detail about your game, I can bring up specific hands, but obviously you play the way you do because you don't think you are playing poorly, so in the end its a pretty useless discussion.

As for calling you scum, yeah, I was probably out of line. I agree that saying stuff like that was unnecessary. As for your response and subsequent physical threats, also obviously out of line.

Also, it's hard to have greasy hair when I barely even have any hair. And if jeans and a t-shirt with my college's logo is how dirtbags dress, then apparently I am a dirtbag!

It so funny how you kids sit behind a computer and call people names. Why don't we all just discusss this in person! I NEVER AGREED TO GIVE HIM 40% OF THE MONEY.That would mean he would get his entire bet back. Why the f--k would I do that. Plus the fact he pushed the whole sceniro so fast with out me fully understanding the outcome!

when i read this i felt sorry for ya - ive had other poker related messes happen to me as well

But the manager was a **** in my opinion - ok he didnt state the money can leave his stack but he also didnt say its disallowed.....

And the only thing i could have thought is get into a pot with him -then he folds to you?? (giving you the money basically)


The only thing i think is there was obviously something going on like he never had the intention to give the money back... and this has taught me never do a deal at the poker table

on the 'bright side' you just gota look at it as he would have won the pot regardless anyway if you had not done a deal!! (if it was the other way around e.g. you were ahead, did a deal , and then they sucked out and won the pot that would be even worse) but on the basis you woul dhave lost anyway...

Its amazing how jealous everyone is of FF. Stop being so bitter. Maby one day you too can spend money and pick up good looken girls like he does!

As for your advise, you do that. We will see how long you last at the casino!

LOL Thats some funny ****! I didn't know chemo patients are 195 pounds at
5'11 with 16 1/2 inch arms. At least your girl likes the size of my c--k.

Classy guy

Wow.

blablabla internet kids blablabla we're all a bunch of pussies, whatever dude I'll be more than happy to discuss this with you in AC during the tournament. It's your own fault if you didn't understand what you agreed to, and it doesn't mean that you don't owe Todd the full 2500.

Wow, another big mouth! After today I wont be responding anymore. I said my piece. Anything else that needs to be said will be in person. As for you dickbag you know nothing. You make me laugh. You sound like a little nerd that jerks off 3 times a day because you cant pick up a girl! Again stop being jealous of ff. You d--ks make yourselves look so bad. As for the hole in brooklyn ..ask someone that knows me how big that hole is. Enough said!

Again nooo. It was from my cut.