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01-01-2009 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by kmoneyk10
laughing hard at anyone who thinks that online players are more inclined to be the socially downtrodden....

people who spend their lives in a casino tend to be far scummier and more socially pathetic....

it's okay, i know how defensive all you live players are...and fwiw, i dont ignore the way it is, but his post acts as if live players are so much better people and thats just laughable
Acts is your perception, fwr. The point made was that being social is a cost of doing business for a full time live player that every online player does not incur...except for the e-cards I send to FTP support.
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01-01-2009 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kmoneyk10
laughing hard at anyone who thinks that online players are more inclined to be the socially downtrodden....

people who spend their lives in a casino tend to be far scummier and more socially pathetic....

it's okay, i know how defensive all you live players are...and fwiw, i dont ignore the way it is, but his post acts as if live players are so much better people and thats just laughable
My post was not indended to be an online player vs live player rant. You are way too touchy. I am sure that most online players who start playing live regularly figure out how things work and make friends in the right places.

I can also agree there a lot of socially pathetic live "pros" who never tip anoyone and are thoroughly unlikeable and disagreeable, and who constantly have rulings go against them and do not get action from the more aware live ones because of it.

The jist of my post was that the real reason OP is in the predicament he is in, has nothing to do with the incident at hand, or whether he is right or wrong. It is because he did not do the things away from the table to protect himself appropriately against these type of situations, which will come up eventually for most of us.

As far as the no toking at Foxwoods rule, that obviously complicates matters. I play in So Cal where floormen/floor managers walk around the room with their palms up collecting tokes, and a good toking regular is virtually bulletproof. I am guessing in this case it is even more important to be charismatic and ingratiate yourself with the powers that be, which will obviously be easier for people who are naturally more extroverted and charismatic. However, even if you are naturally a quiet introvert, you should still make an effort, especially if you are willing to make a public scene over a perceived injustice like OP, as there is nothing casinos dislike more than these kind of scenes for obvious reasons.
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01-01-2009 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pbailey
Acts is your perception, fwr. The point made was that being social is a cost of doing business for a full time live player that every online player does not incur...except for the e-cards I send to FTP support.
did i argue with that? no, i simply laughed hard at his portrayal of online players and his seemingly superior attitude toward a group of people far more socially capable, well educated, and generally productive than those that play full time in a casino..

generalizations, yes...but accurate generalizations, yes also..
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01-01-2009 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kmoneyk10
laughing hard at anyone who thinks that online players are more inclined to be the socially downtrodden....

people who spend their lives in a casino tend to be far scummier and more socially pathetic....

it's okay, i know how defensive all you live players are...and fwiw, i dont ignore the way it is, but his post acts as if live players are so much better people and thats just laughable
uhh, i'm not a live player and your use of downtrodden is expert.
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01-01-2009 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jdock99
... if you cannot stomach it go back to the internet where you can be your introverted, unlikeble, life-nit self with impunity ...
I agree with a lot of your post, but in parts (particularly the above quote) you just got unnecessarily incendiary.
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01-01-2009 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mustmuck
I agree with a lot of your post, but in parts (particularly the above quote) you just got unnecessarily incendiary.
Agreed, it was a little over the top. At the time I was a little tilted from reading some of the more ridiculous replies/advice in the thread. I meant nothing personal against online players in general, although the way the post came out it can easily be construed that way. In fact, despite assumptions to the contrary, I actually consider myself more of an internet than live player.
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01-02-2009 , 12:00 AM
HEK you seem like a great guy and Im sorry to hear that this happen to a guy playing full time supporting a family. I just got back from a couple nights at foxwoods and I played all my poker at mohegan. Agree with you 100% bout the room...Good luck to you and I hope Mohegan can provide you with enough income till foxwoods gets their head on straight.
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01-02-2009 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Boosted J
Let's post $50k each and I'll crossbook at 1-1 for whatever stakes Todd (HEK) plays Live NLHE at Foxwoods. This includes HU vs you or the Frankie guy.
Or you could take $30k of that and give it to the guy you ripped off.
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01-02-2009 , 05:34 AM
afaik they resolved that. pretty unfair to keep bringing it up
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01-02-2009 , 09:03 PM
I only have one question:

Hek - what in the world possessed you to sign ANYTHING Foxwoods Security put in front of you???
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01-02-2009 , 09:48 PM
hey, i was at foxwoods and this thread was one of the hot topics. also apparently one hand a week ago, "johnny" went allin with nothing and caught runner runner for a straight.

those were the 2 big stories to be told at the table, and while everyone acknowledged that he screwed you, some thought he was going to screw you anyways and that FF telling him not to was just an added reason. and you don't seem to be very popular there.

i tried to give the floor a tip, but he turned me down.

but, the regulars there definitely get the benefit of the doubt when angleshooting/colluding, etc.

that and it seems that most regulars softplay/check it down, as well as try and get a lot of money in bills, so they can add or remove $ from their stack.
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01-03-2009 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by allurit
The lesson here is to regularly tip the floormen and don't make the people in charge dislike you.

This is like firing an employee you hate for showing up to work late. The reason they stated was just the excuse they gave you...they barred you for other reasons.

I would lay long odds that Frankie Flowers (whoever he is) tips the flooremen more every month than you do.
yeah. i have to agree with this. as unjust as this is on surface, this has been my experience with floorpersonel.

a little grease to the brush would go a long way here.
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01-03-2009 , 03:37 AM
I suggest you consult with an attorney familiar with the Mashantucket Pequot tribal laws in order to work on a solution to the problem. I quickly scanned throught a portion of the tribal laws and found the following: (1) the tribal gaming commission is suppose to maintain the list of barred persons and (2) "any person . . . who is barred from the gaming faclities by action of the Commission may request a hearing before the Commission by written request submitted within 30 days following receipt of notice of the action of the Commission."


If you don't know any local lawyers that can point you in the right direction, I suggest you scan the web for a tribal law expert in connecticut asap (since there MAY be a time limitation, if the above passage applies to your circumstance).

To receive competent legal advice, it will probably be more than a few hundred bucks. A CT attorney probably bills at around $200-300 an hour (an estimate based on what we bill here in Massachusetts) and will require a retainer up front (the amount is definitely negotiable, but figure $2k-5k). If a hearing is necessary, the retainer will likely be burned through rather quickly. But, again, this is your livelihood, so it's probably worth the investment to get competent counsel to help you handle the situation.
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01-03-2009 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by HEK
I had to sign documents stating that I won't come onto foxwoods property ever again or I'll be arrested. It was perhaps the most humiliating and unjust thing that has ever happened to me.
This is the part that bothers me the most. Why does anyone sign anything when they are getting nothing in return? What made you think it was a good idea to sign anything at all at that point?

If they want you to leave, then they can make you leave. They can't make you sign anything. It never, ever helps you to sign something under duress.
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01-03-2009 , 11:30 AM
gl HEK with all this.

I think the advice to get a 5 minute appointment with one of the Foxwoods management before going through the lawyer route is good. In the meantime, sue the Mike D. guy for the $2k (as suggested in start of the thread).

Yarbles/foxw00ds player needs to be banned for trolling.

HIV's advice is terrible.


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Originally Posted by Jeffmet3
and you don't seem to be very popular there.
No wonder given that he owns all the live regfish .
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01-03-2009 , 03:15 PM
I saw this thread on my way to STT's, and it captured me. I read through the entire thing. I was visiting Foxwoods fairly regularly up until recently, but usually playing sngs or low limit poker (2/4, 4/8). This just sucks, you sound like a decent guy who definitely did not deserve this.

I was also curious as to why you signed the paperwork as well, and why anyone would. What would they do if you refused?

Good luck with the unbanning. Reading this makes me want to go to Mohegan in the future if I play. Good luck with your dog, too. I am sorry to hear you might have to put her down soon, I know how awful that is.
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01-04-2009 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Like day one of Marketing 101 teaches that this thread is a bad for Foxwoods. Its a basic rule of business that to replace what you actively piss off one good customer, you have to recruit at least ten times as many new customers because they share their experiences with friends, relatives, etc. Customer acquisition is expensive.

Its not just losing $20K in rake, its the money they lose because 100 people read this thread and decide to spend $500 on a hotel, slots for the wife, dinner etc and generate their rake elsewhere because people read this thread and say "yikes, lets give the Mohegan Sun a try instead"
+1

anyone saying to lawyer up is looking at this 100% wrong.. a lawyer costs YOU AND THEM $'s.

threads like this cost THEM $'s. i saw someone ask a name of someone would care... here is a link to one for anyone who cares. i'd just try to put in a call to the people that banned you, asking for unban, if that doesn't work, put in a call into someone who can fire that person. be polite, be nice, don't point the finger at other people, as the former casino employee stated.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/409/804
Bruce Flax
Director of Ticketing and Patron Services
Foxwoods Resort Casino

good luck getting reinstated, but IMO you should just play at the casino that you like more, has less scummy players, and hope that the $'s/hour can keep up.
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01-04-2009 , 04:16 AM
really sucks. Just appeal, we support u, dude.
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01-04-2009 , 04:28 AM
HEK, what happened to you is terrible. Maybe I'm just more of a rough character than you are, but if someone or two people did that to me, since I'd be banned anyway I definitely wouldn't let them off easily. I would wait outside until they are finished and in anything-but-subtle ways tell them that, hey, I'm banned from Foxwoods so they can collaborate in that game now to cheat others out of pots, but what are they gonna do when a session is over, they still gotta walk out to the garage to their fkn cars and drive home right? It's a dangerous world out there just think about all the possibilities that can happen on a drive home, and no this ain't a threat but it's reality and bad things happen to bad people. Look them in the eye and say that.

I would never ever let cheating a$$holes beat me at a game of poker... NEVER. If someone wants to lower themselves to do that to me live I would make sure they are scared just going to play at the same place again. I guess you're too nice for your own good... but maybe you are a better man than I am.
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01-04-2009 , 04:30 AM
Also, what;'s so good about Foxwoods anyway.. I guess you don't have other choices nearby but FW is just about the most overrated casino in America if not the world and I've been to about 30 of them.
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01-04-2009 , 05:30 PM
I enjoy live poker and one of the main reasons I moved from New England to Vegas was because Foxwoods is such a dump, the floor people are indeed exceedingly underwhelming, and the food is from the dark side of the trailer park.
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01-04-2009 , 11:38 PM
what a bunch of ****. I would have lost it.
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01-04-2009 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Forbin
If they want you to leave, then they can make you leave. They can't make you sign anything. It never, ever helps you to sign something under duress.
Good point. I'm sure the OP was shocked as hell though as this was all happening. It's easier to say don't sign it after the fact. The whole deal blows.
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01-04-2009 , 11:58 PM
yikes. this seems really odd that they would just ban you like this. i think you'll get reinstated - maybe they just wanted you to cool down because you've been involved in two incidents for the casino.
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01-05-2009 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Jurrr
gl HEK with all this.

I think the advice to get a 5 minute appointment with one of the Foxwoods management before going through the lawyer route is good. In the meantime, sue the Mike D. guy for the $2k (as suggested in start of the thread).
...+1...and let's not forget that not only Frankie Flowers is a douche, but even a bigger douche is Mike D...and I am sure he will be at the Borgata tourney in mid-january for most of the 16-day duration...anyone who would see him, should give him ****... this is his picture...

http://www.theborgata.com/Main.cfm?C...DE0750677CE761
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