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12-31-2008 , 06:56 PM
Does anyone personally know any Foxwoods whales?
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12-31-2008 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Triumph36
yeah the last thing they need is a guy who if he plays 40 hours a week 40 weeks a year is giving them $20,000+ in rake. i mean i'd tell that guy to get out.

you do see how not banning him would've created a lot less problems, right? now there's a 500 post thread on the most visible poker forum on the internet about how arbitrary and [censored] up the foxwoods poker room is from a long-time, well-respected poster. as opposed to a guy who sounds like he rightfully called a certain play collusion and got out of line and called a guy a cheater a little later.
So your saying that all the hands he won and paid rake on no one else would have won, they would have skipped a hand for him, had a moment of silence 4000 times a year for him? Think not, do you really think that that one player would make a difference in there income? What is the list going from 8 deep to 7 going to change anything on the bottom line?

This thread will be long forgotten in a month, his ban may stay in effect for ever if the wrong person gets pissed that he will not let this go and keeps bad mouthing everyone that has control over the ban. Also if everyone thinks the people that work in that poker room do not read these forums there crazy.

The Bellegio even banned Men the Master, he was even a draw to the poker room, people like to play people they see on TV, do you think this effected the Bellegio at all? I don't.
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12-31-2008 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by too eazy
i hear a rumour another 5/10 reg named "chuck" was perma-banned today

unknown why
I heard last night from a dealer that someone got caught sneaking extra blacks into a 2/5 and he was known.

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Originally Posted by HEK
Does anyone personally know any Foxwoods whales?
I know one, friends father who has a few car dealerships.
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12-31-2008 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by kmoneyk10
man...my post was meant as a level (albeit it a weak one)...didnt actually do this but also didnt know everyones panties would get in a bundle...just wanted foxw00dsplayer to go on a rant again...so much for that...
I'm here to ammuse you actually heks responce to everything I said came across very proffesional and didn't take anything too personal. What I posted was direct info I got from the goose that laid the egg. Haha your not gonna get me rattled up anymore I'm on so many heavy duty painkillers by iv and pill form that icant get upset. Also j you got it on the head. I really don't give a **** its just amusing to see aLl the kiss ups kiss up and defend hek like he's nt. With that being said I have no clue about anything and take everything as what is said for your ammusement which is what it usually is.
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12-31-2008 , 09:27 PM
Dude, who gives a **** if you got banned from foxwoods. Foxwoods is the worst place to play poker anyway. In my opinion they did you a favor. The floor people have no idea what's going on. Additionally the players their are ******s. Do yourself a favor don't try to get reinstated.
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12-31-2008 , 09:32 PM
As for FF i have played with him a couple of times at the borgata. I agree he is a scumbag. He thinks he is a hot ****,but in reality he is just another bust out. I remember him going around the room blowing people to lend him money so he can get back in the game. Any person with self respect would never have responded to HEK that way.
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12-31-2008 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 102102
Do yourself a favor don't try to get reinstated.
Clearly you've never been to Fuddrucker's
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12-31-2008 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
I'm here to ammuse you actually heks responce to everything I said came across very proffesional and didn't take anything too personal. What I posted was direct info I got from the goose that laid the egg. Haha your not gonna get me rattled up anymore I'm on so many heavy duty painkillers by iv and pill form that icant get upset. Also j you got it on the head. I really don't give a **** its just amusing to see aLl the kiss ups kiss up and defend hek like he's nt. With that being said I have no clue about anything and take everything as what is said for your ammusement which is what it usually is.
yarbles = foxw00ds player?
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12-31-2008 , 10:34 PM
I love how people ITT seem not to understand anything about marketing or advetising.

How is it bad if this thread gets the attention of the security at Foxwoods? If they know about this thread, it should help OP, because the last thing they want is approx. 150 people (possibly more reading) hating on FF. They lose a lot of customers this way.
Even the phone call thing is A) a good thing, because they should know the opinion of most people on here and B) if you are a regular customer at foxwoods, you should pursue your own interests and not those of OP, so (as someone on here suggested) it doenst matter if OP agrees to the phone call action, if you, as a customer, is afraid of cheating, he should tell them.

Foxwoods seems to get a lot of hate in the B&M forum, because of their staff, they might change something one day.
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12-31-2008 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by noteye
So your saying that all the hands he won and paid rake on no one else would have won, they would have skipped a hand for him, had a moment of silence 4000 times a year for him? Think not, do you really think that that one player would make a difference in there income? What is the list going from 8 deep to 7 going to change anything on the bottom line?

This thread will be long forgotten in a month, his ban may stay in effect for ever if the wrong person gets pissed that he will not let this go and keeps bad mouthing everyone that has control over the ban. Also if everyone thinks the people that work in that poker room do not read these forums there crazy.

The Bellegio even banned Men the Master, he was even a draw to the poker room, people like to play people they see on TV, do you think this effected the Bellegio at all? I don't.
You keep reiterating this same drivel.

Please point out where Todd has bad mouthed anyone? Please point out where he has been anything but professional?

Should he just go home and sit on his hands when he got banned for nothing?

Also, hasn't Men the Master been busted for cheating blatantly? How does that even remotely relate?

Foxwoods clearly f'ed up here and they should make it right. If they don't want equity splits fine, I bet you Todd will never try it again. If they don't want Todd to _HELP THEM_ by calling out a super questionable situation, fine, whatever, but clearly a ban was a huge overreaction for someone who just wants to play poker and provide for his family.

What's your agenda? You're the one that's coming across as a complete douche.
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12-31-2008 , 11:01 PM
i think that mass-calling foxwoods about collusion, cheating and poor management is the about the worst way for me to get reinstated. All of those things have nothing to do with my current situation.
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12-31-2008 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmenH
CO from FTP?
deeznuts and like 6 other sns that were all colluding, deeznuts6, romaflush, jugador bom, thegreatwhiteshark77 or some **** like that. i forget all the sns.
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12-31-2008 , 11:35 PM
in other news I think i'm gonna have to put one of my dogs down v soon. sigh. Happy New Year everyone!
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12-31-2008 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by noteye
So your saying that all the hands he won and paid rake on no one else would have won, they would have skipped a hand for him, had a moment of silence 4000 times a year for him? Think not, do you really think that that one player would make a difference in there income? What is the list going from 8 deep to 7 going to change anything on the bottom line?

This thread will be long forgotten in a month, his ban may stay in effect for ever if the wrong person gets pissed that he will not let this go and keeps bad mouthing everyone that has control over the ban. Also if everyone thinks the people that work in that poker room do not read these forums there crazy.

The Bellegio even banned Men the Master, he was even a draw to the poker room, people like to play people they see on TV, do you think this effected the Bellegio at all? I don't.
Like day one of Marketing 101 teaches that this thread is a bad for Foxwoods. Its a basic rule of business that to replace what you actively piss off one good customer, you have to recruit at least ten times as many new customers because they share their experiences with friends, relatives, etc. Customer acquisition is expensive.

Its not just losing $20K in rake, its the money they lose because 100 people read this thread and decide to spend $500 on a hotel, slots for the wife, dinner etc and generate their rake elsewhere because people read this thread and say "yikes, lets give the Mohegan Sun a try instead"

Yes, even that doesnt materially affect the bottom line of a company, but usually the same procedures and poor service that pisses off one person is pissing other people as well whether they are vocal about it like HEK or just badmouth Foxwoods to everyone they know. So multiply what I described above my the hundreds of other people they are pissing off. That affects the bottom line.

Good businesses notice this, assume that for every person complaining there may be ten other people that just keep their mouth shut, then work to review their customer service and rectify the situation if possible. Bad businesses don't and eventually damage themselves enough to die off.

Pretty basic stuff. A competent higher-up at Foxwoods that sees this thread and reads HEK's story and the other thoughts on Foxwoods being expressed is at least going to dig deeper into the situation, not brush it off as "its only one guy and it doesnt affect the bottom line". They may decide that HEK should be banned, but it will absolutely be revisited.

Its literally day one how to run a business stuff. I think I was first taught this back when I was in high school and being trained to run shifts at the local pizza chain part time. Its that basic
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01-01-2009 , 02:36 AM
I wasn't gonna post in this thread. Considering I'm European and have never been to the states, I still feel like I should point out that noteye is a ****ing mong though. Proper window licker.
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01-01-2009 , 05:19 AM
hey everyone. i read about 90% of this thread. i dont play with any of you... im working on it tho but my sympathy goes out to you hek. im sure youll come out on top and will look back on this and laugh.

im posting cause i was just reading negreanu's blog and the irony was too much i had to post.

" had Foxwoods on my list before but screw them, I'm not going back. They withheld my taxes for no good reason since they changed their policy. I used to love going there, but seriously, screw them. It's not even the fact that they withhold the money, I don't care as much about that as I do the fact that the morons in charge don't even realize that legally, they don't have to do that at all. "

heres the link:
http://pokerroad.com/blog/daniel-neg...anges-for-2009

(prob on cardplayer too)

question for hek....

where would you/do you play in boston??? i play 1/2 in southie. and know of a 5/10 game that runs in chinatown.... theres also a few other games around...
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01-01-2009 , 08:00 AM
I played in a 25-50 game at Foxwoods in December of 2007. It was 5 handed, and eventually it was myself, Raj, and FF. When I had called a raise, or raised, and folded on the flop with Raj and FF left in the hand, they would check it to the river nearly every time. I was so focused on playing my best (This was my highest shot at live up to this point, as the game was 25-50-100 for a little while) that I did not even notice. Consider me naive to live poker. However my friends spotted this and soon explained it to me, I picked up, and left Foxwoods, disgusted that live players have to do this to gain an equity edge.

Everything negative said about Frankie Flowers imo, is true. He is an angler, he is a pit degen (a few days before the 25-50-100) game I saw him lose 16k on Baccarat upstairs, which I know he cannot afford) and he is staked by various people since he is consistently bust. If you are in a a game with him, simply ask for a table chance, since he is 'friends' with all the 'regulars' and will definatly take advantage of you if he has the chance.

J.
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01-01-2009 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by HEK
i think that mass-calling foxwoods about collusion, cheating and poor management is the about the worst way for me to get reinstated. All of those things have nothing to do with my current situation.
you cant expect the world to do everything in the favor of you getting reinstated.
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01-01-2009 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mench
I played in a 25-50 game at Foxwoods in December of 2007. It was 5 handed, and eventually it was myself, Raj, and FF. When I had called a raise, or raised, and folded on the flop with Raj and FF left in the hand, they would check it to the river nearly every time. I was so focused on playing my best (This was my highest shot at live up to this point, as the game was 25-50-100 for a little while) that I did not even notice. Consider me naive to live poker. However my friends spotted this and soon explained it to me, I picked up, and left Foxwoods, disgusted that live players have to do this to gain an equity edge.

Everything negative said about Frankie Flowers imo, is true. He is an angler, he is a pit degen (a few days before the 25-50-100) game I saw him lose 16k on Baccarat upstairs, which I know he cannot afford) and he is staked by various people since he is consistently bust. If you are in a a game with him, simply ask for a table chance, since he is 'friends' with all the 'regulars' and will definatly take advantage of you if he has the chance.

J.
wow, poor decision to leave that game. i dont care if they're playing on the same bankroll, checking every hand down hu with each other and trying to make squeeze plays, i'd play that 3 handed game for the rest of my life
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01-01-2009 , 03:33 PM
The level of idiocy in this thread is obviously well in line with the casino´s grossly incompetence as described by the trustworthy few here. Good luck HEK - hope you soon can get back there crushing ...
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01-01-2009 , 05:41 PM
I think this post illustrates a very important point about what it takes to be a LIVE professional poker player, that a lot of the internet playing life nit introverts completely do not get.

Poker, espeically live poker, is a very shady enterprise, and when it comes to protecting yourself in a cardroom and ensuring your livelihood, fairness and right and wrong have nothing do with reality. What is important is making sure you have the personal charisma and "pull" with the casino staff to ensure that such unclear situations are decided in your favor.

If you are a live professional poker player, it is probably inevitable that some type of situation like this will come up in your career. Therefor, it is important to make sure you are a likeable person and befriend yourself with floormen, casino floor managers, security, etc. including regular toking, especially after big scores.

I myself am a recreational/semi-professional weekend warrior who does not even play as high as uncapped 10-20NL, however despite not being a high roller and not depending on poker as my livelihood, I am very sure that I am cool with all the floor men/managers and tip out anywhere from $10-$50 on a given night depending on how I am running. And being cool with floormen/managers is not all about tipping, it is also about joking around, talking about sports, and generally being a charismatic likeable person. I obviously do not know any of the participants in this case, but it seems to me that FF is the type of player who protects himself by doing these things and OP is not. That is why FF is allowed to angle-shoot/cheat with impunity and OP is receiving a life ban for a very minor offense.

To be frank, I find it completely pathetic and inexcusable that a regular at a casino who derives 95% of income at said casino has to go to an internet message board to inquire about getting a name to talk with someone higher up to help them out. If you really were a serious about your profession and taking care of your family you should know a lot of higher ups you could talk to, and you should be friendly and likeable enough with those persons to ensure they react favorably to you.

And for all the internet players who think that it is not fair that you should have to toke and befirend the floormen/casino managers to protect yourself from unfavorable rulings, tough. Right or wrong, this is the reality of the business you are in, and if you cannot stomach it go back to the internet where you can be your introverted, unlikeble, life-nit self with impunity, and all you have to worry about is superusers, bots, colluding over AIM, etc.
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01-01-2009 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jdock99
I think this post illustrates a very important point about what it takes to be a LIVE professional poker player, that a lot of the internet playing life nit introverts completely do not get.

Poker, espeically live poker, is a very shady enterprise, and when it comes to protecting yourself in a cardroom and ensuring your livelihood, fairness and right and wrong have nothing do with reality. What is important is making sure you have the personal charisma and "pull" with the casino staff to ensure that such unclear situations are decided in your favor.

If you are a live professional poker player, it is probably inevitable that some type of situation like this will come up in your career. Therefor, it is important to make sure you are a likeable person and befriend yourself with floormen, casino floor managers, security, etc. including regular toking, especially after big scores.

I myself am a recreational/semi-professional weekend warrior who does not even play as high as uncapped 10-20NL, however despite not being a high roller and not depending on poker as my livelihood, I am very sure that I am cool with all the floor men/managers and tip out anywhere from $10-$50 on a given night depending on how I am running. And being cool with floormen/managers is not all about tipping, it is also about joking around, talking about sports, and generally being a charismatic likeable person. I obviously do not know any of the participants in this case, but it seems to me that FF is the type of player who protects himself by doing these things and OP is not. That is why FF is allowed to angle-shoot/cheat with impunity and OP is receiving a life ban for a very minor offense.

To be frank, I find it completely pathetic and inexcusable that a regular at a casino who derives 95% of income at said casino has to go to an internet message board to inquire about getting a name to talk with someone higher up to help them out. If you really were a serious about your profession and taking care of your family you should know a lot of higher ups you could talk to, and you should be friendly and likeable enough with those persons to ensure they react favorably to you.

And for all the internet players who think that it is not fair that you should have to toke and befirend the floormen/casino managers to protect yourself from unfavorable rulings, tough. Right or wrong, this is the reality of the business you are in, and if you cannot stomach it go back to the internet where you can be your introverted, unlikeble, life-nit self with impunity, and all you have to worry about is superusers, bots, colluding over AIM, etc.

lol, bitter that you are online busto all the time??? hahaha
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01-01-2009 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by kmoneyk10
lol, bitter that you are online busto all the time??? hahaha
uhh, he's pretty much right about everything.
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01-01-2009 , 06:14 PM
I'd have to disagree a bit with people thinking FF has a lot of pull. You can't tip the floor at Foxwoods or the security. I've tried, and was told they can be fired for receiving tips. The dealers also pool all tips with the whole casino (at least in room, I know it's at some kind of crossroads right now.)

He seems to be a friendly enough guy so maybe he does pal around with some of the managment? Just an FYI about not being able to toke. I guess he could somehow meet them outside and give them money..? but now that's getting weird.
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01-01-2009 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lapoker17
uhh, he's pretty much right about everything.
laughing hard at anyone who thinks that online players are more inclined to be the socially downtrodden....

people who spend their lives in a casino tend to be far scummier and more socially pathetic....

it's okay, i know how defensive all you live players are...and fwiw, i dont ignore the way it is, but his post acts as if live players are so much better people and thats just laughable
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