will say its a little annoying for HEK to start this thread and then just abandon it...

From not even 24 hours ago in this thread...

kmoneyk, please leave Two Plus Two.

LOL, thanks for the advice...maybe don't start a thread like this when you are going to be gone for a few days and wait until you have time to respond to people..mrE, you are worthless, thank you for your post

so you mean OP should be constantly posting about his progress for your personal entertainment or what? GTFO

I'm pretty sure OP covered all the information in this thread, there's just no need to update really at this point till he gets unbanned/confirmation of rebanned.

Semi-cryptic update: my theory of getting unbanned by asking nicely "please unban me" is apparently not as airtight as i had previously hoped. lets hope for my sake some incompetent fools really are incompetent, and really do unban me

Yes, you've assessed the situation correctly.

I gotta defend him, because I think you are exxagerating.
OP hasn't posted anything meaningful in the last few days.
There are some statements out there, which I would clarify immediately if I was OP.

posting soon guys. chill plz.

My answers in bold...

The floor told us that the dealer cannot chop the pot and that it had to be awarded to a someone. He said that they can't chop the pot but it's fine if we chop the money up on the side. Does this mean that the floorman authorized the equity chop? I was certainly doing this under his guidance.

is it even an equity chop if the pot itself is never split up? is it an equity chop if one player keeps all the money?

That is false. I haven't spoken 2 words to Frankie since I called him out for cheating. The floor in fact did not give any information whatsoever. They were of almost no help. I'll be posting specifically about this whole situation a few posts from now.

This is also flat out false. That conversation never took place. I've never tried to befriend Frankie. I've never tried to be enemies with him either.
even if it means they are cheating? Are you serious?


Yeah Frankie is Pimp

help get me unbanned then?

God the Floormen/Floor managers are ****ing droolers.

It doesn't make any sense at all. You got banned for an equity chop that didn't even really happen. Best of luck HEK, I hope they reverse the decision sooner than later.

About 2 - 3 months ago I was playing in a 10/20nl game at Foxwoods. Frankie Flowers was in the 10 seat. His friend Alex (I don't have a last name) was in the 9 seat. I was in the 6 seat.

After playing in the game for several hours I started to notice a similar post-flop pattern. FF would use the following squeeze when it was 3 to the flop and Alex was the 3rd person: Alex checks, FF checks. villian bets, Alex calls, FF checkraises, villian folds, Alex folds, FF scoops. It caught my attention because that is the type of line that is commonly taken with very big hands: 2 pair+, set, etc. I started to pay more attention and witnessed this same squeeze line was used by them AT LEAST 6 times over the next 3 hours. If we are dealt 30 hands/hour then that means that he was able to execute this play once every 15 hands! Every single time the action would close with Alex quickly folding. Eventually it go the point where I said to myself "If this actually happens again, I'm gonna have to say something." Finally the following hand came up:

I open-raise from CO (with 7 5hh) to 100, Button calls, Alex in SB calls, FF in BB raises to 400.

I call 300, Button calls 300. Now the action is on Alex in the sb. He now has the opportunity to flat call and close the action. He can now close the action with $1600 in the pot going to the flop. Instead, he minraises to 750. Frankie and Alex have some fake-competative banter for about 10 seconds and then Frankie goes all in for ~5k.

I fold, Button folds. Alex takes no time at all and folds. He put no thought process into weather or not he could call. He instantly threw his cards away.

This is where I called the floor and asked that the 2 hands be exposed because I suspected the 2 players were working together. Obviously chaos ensued. Frankie and Alex were both adamant about not wanting to show their cards "just because you think we're cheating." They did not want to show their cards to anyone. The floorman looked at FF's cards and then buried them in the muck. He did the same to Alex's. He took FF aside alone and then Alex alone. As the floorman was walking back with Alex, FF stood up and the 3 of them got involved in a conversation out of earshot from the table. As he finished up with them, the conversation started to break and he began to walk in my direction. He finished the conversation by turning to Alex and Frankie and said "You guys both be careful. Be very careful." This can mean many things obviously. Take it fwiw.

He spoke to me for a few minutes and gave me no information about the strength of either hand. He basically gave me a speech about how both parties have been spoken to and have been told that collusion is taken seriously at foxwoods. He said he told them that he didn't want to hear another word about it at the table and no words spoken between Alex/FF and me.

What else can I do? He buried the cards in the muck and never said what they had. IF the floor saw evidence that they were colluding on that one hand, no action could ever be taken by the floor person since one hand DOESN'T MEAN A THING. You can't tell squat from that one hand. It's the culmination of seeing them sqeeze to pick up every pot possible AND that hand in question which leads me to believe that I am 98% certain that were cheating. The only reason I am not 100% is because I don't have any evidence. It can't be proven.

that story sounds pretty awful. and it makes it seem that ff prob has enough juice to get you out of there.

Also, 2 other foxwoods players who are regulars in the 5/10 and 10/20 games had also become suspicious of Alex and Frankie's play prior to this incident occurring. One person had already suspected them of working together for a week before this incident took place.

you might be right

Wow, good info to know! Thank you for posting this.

Wrong. I had as much proof of collusion as possible for a live game. It can't be proven. You know that. And your above statement would make anyone ignore the cheating that goes on in their home casino because no one would believe it anyway.

Wow u actually seem like a cool guy with your responces, all the info I got was very very direct and this was after I reached out to find out about the cheating icident you posted about.

I have one question this alex guy can u describe him?

I actually feel bad for calling u names and acting douche if I was fed wrong info. I do have the excuse of being 5 days away from surgery and being on every heavy duty painkiller known to man with nothing but hours to burn. If all you say is true and I will be going back to see if any part of the info I received was mis communicated.there is one imperticular I'm very curious about.

You do realize u were banned for calling out customers of foxwoods as cheaters in front of an already live table with a lot of eyes watching. They had to get u out of there for a while and guarenteed u will be allowed to play again in less then a month or however long it takes people to stop talking about incident. Its very bad business for them to have loose cannons running around screaming u are a cheater but still waiting to here what alex looks like.

foxwoods, i think it's safe to say that everybody in this thread is kind of tired of you pretending you're an authority on this subject when you're just talking out your ass

saw 'FLO WERS' (lol) on the waitlists for 2/5 and 5/10 but didn't actually see him tonight. i go down to fw with the intention of playing 5/10 i get there and there is one game going and 11 on the waitlist but for some reason they won't start another table because there wasn't a dealer or something dumb like that. so i end up just playing 2/5 and breaking even at an awesome table (i get there right after there was nearly a fist fight and now 4 or 5 people at the table are taking tequila shots and getting hammered)

anyone play 5/10 tonight? how was the game? looked pretty bad when i checked it out. fwiw hek i hope and am pretty confident you will get unbanned in no time. that story about FF is extremely sketchy, gl maybe i'll see you there sometime soon.

Sounds like one hell of a level to me... You raise, Villain #1 flat calls... then FF raises, everyone calls, and now Villain #1 puts in a min raise instead of closing the action, allowing FF to push and squeeze the pot into his stack?

Please...

[ ] unexploitable preflop play

Just trap them with premiums ducy?

I do think everyone should walk up to Mrs. Flowers at foxwoods when they seem him and congratulate him on cheating one of the dumbest floor staffs there is...impressive...

and oh yea, cheating, that's 'pimp'