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12-28-2008 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by foxw00ds player
no u stfu
If you play at foxwoods im pretty sure we know eachother, who are you?
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12-28-2008 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by foxw00ds player
Oh by the way the regulars at the 10'/20 game were pissed at frankie for getting one of there biggest donators banned. They are all stumped that you make a living doing this when nobody can remember you even cashing.

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Originally Posted by foxw00ds player
he was banned because he publicly called one of the biggest donators at foxwoods a cheater in front of other players.



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Originally Posted by Ikavac
whats confusing they are both donators and the 1 donator got the 2nd donator banned.
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12-28-2008 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ikavac
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Originally Posted by ArmenH
If you play at foxwoods im pretty sure we know eachother, who are you?
I know who you are but I havent gone to foxwoods probably in 2 years and don't plan on going back mostly cause i Hate people from Boston.

Not all just the tools.
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12-28-2008 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MrEleganza
Yeah, nothing he's saying makes a lot of sense, he's obviously been sent by Frankie to defend him and still appear on the up-and-up, he's just not doing a very good job.
I confuse myself most of the time, it must be my adhd and my love for the show "curb your enthusiasm".

Really I dont mean to come accross as a tool or douche but I get a little emotional and excited when **** like this happenes.

If somebody you knew pretty well was accused for cheating and pictures of him were posted on the interent: that an easy google of frankie flowers will bring up then yeah.. im gonna spend my boring life defending it. I have nothing but time.
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12-28-2008 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by foxw00ds player
I know who you are but I havent gone to foxwoods probably in 2 years and don't plan on going back mostly cause i Hate people from Boston.

Not all just the tools.
Whats your name then
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12-28-2008 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmenH
Whats your name then
duh you cant read its foxw00ds player with 2 zeros not Os

Trust me you dont know me not even if someone descibed you too me,

I used to play 5/10 nl

Boston people always looking to start fights. I dont know what it is maybe cause your baseball team sucks balls
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12-28-2008 , 05:36 PM
i don't think boston people are the reason you find many people looking to "start fights" with you.
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12-28-2008 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by foxw00ds player
duh you cant read its foxw00ds player with 2 zeros not Os

Trust me you dont know me not even if someone descibed you too me,

I used to play 5/10 nl

Boston people always looking to start fights. I dont know what it is maybe cause your baseball team sucks balls
Ya, or it could be our Basketball and Football team sucking too

Last edited by ArmenH; 12-28-2008 at 05:51 PM.
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12-28-2008 , 06:15 PM
i have played at the same table as frankie....he has no class and the depiction of him here fits the guy i played with..
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12-28-2008 , 06:22 PM
HEK, sorry to here about your situation. I had gotten talking to you in a 5/10 nl game during the wpt at foxwoods. Seemed to me like you were good people. Not to repeat what other people have said but I don't understand why you play live poker more than occassionally. IMO most live players are the dregs of society.
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12-28-2008 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by too eazy
i don't think boston people are the reason you find many people looking to "start fights" with you.
This
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12-28-2008 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by foxw00ds player
duh you cant read its foxw00ds player with 2 zeros not Os

Trust me you dont know me not even if someone descibed you too me,

I used to play 5/10 nl

Boston people always looking to start fights. I dont know what it is maybe cause your baseball team sucks balls
so you used to play 5-10 til you went broke, haven't been back in 2 years, but seem to know everything about both parties involved?
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12-28-2008 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FatalError
so you used to play 5-10 til you went broke, haven't been back in 2 years, but seem to know everything about both parties involved?
it went from 1 year to 2 years, but he still knows what was going on...

what a moron...
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12-28-2008 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmenH
Off to the hand. AhQh5d , checked through. Turn is a 6d bringing backdoor diamonds, I lead for 300, bb calls the 300 utg makes it 800. I call, bb folds. River is a Kc bricking all the draws. I check and he shoves. I thought about the hand for about 5 minutes with 10high and showed the table my hand (this is allowed in a heads up pot). Table thought I was crazy and started berating me
man... this seems common with them bostom types always like to waste time for no reason on equity chops and thinking about calling with 10 high. Damm
It must be the water or something out there
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12-28-2008 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Spurious
it went from 1 year to 2 years, but he still knows what was going on...

what a moron...
i said over a year in my first post MORON and i have the scoop cause obviously i know everything.

And I did not stop going because of busto it was because the 6 hour drive back and forth every weekend started to kill me. I made 50k bankroll starting from 1k so unlike 80 percent of you guys posting calling me a moron i made my money. I'm not gonna quit a job of 10 years to play proffessional even if i knew i would make more money, there is other things like benifits and 401k and stability.

Anyway.. part of my persona coming out in this thread as a douche is slightly because i am on heavy duty pain meds ocy 50's and percocett so I am not in 100 percent frame of mind..
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12-28-2008 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by too eazy
i don't think boston people are the reason you find many people looking to "start fights" with you.
im actually a very nice guy irl, its because its the internets and i was made fun of in school so now I am trying to make up for it. lol

i dont even kill bugs like if i see a spider in my house i will catch him and release him outside. It's a true story. Also one time a bee stung me and i felt so bad because i heard once a bee stings you they die, I cried for a couple of hours.
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12-28-2008 , 08:26 PM
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Last edited by SanderJonez; 12-28-2008 at 08:37 PM.
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12-28-2008 , 09:25 PM
I would be extremely surprised if HEK = Eugene Todd.
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12-28-2008 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by fukkeneh
I would be extremely surprised if HEK = Eugene Todd.
he(k) has asked how to get in touch with eugene todd itt so i would certainly understand your surprise =)
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12-28-2008 , 10:25 PM
god this thread just keeps getting better
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12-29-2008 , 01:11 AM
I don't get why foxwoods would ban you. That seems extreme if you were going there all the time. Perhaps talking to them will get them to change their mind's. I'm sure if they knew you were a good guy, they'd change the ruling for you.
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12-29-2008 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by teddyFBI
p.s. do you have a pic of this Mike Dentale guy? I play at the Borg from time to time and know a few Mikes. Curious as to who this guy is.
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Originally Posted by HEK
I'm not going back to FW w/o reinstatement. I can't risk getting arrested. Also, if I only get rebooted then it will likely destroy my chances of getting back in within a reasonable time frame.

I don't have a pic of Dentale.

I'm headed out the door to Mohegan right now. I'll be playing 2/5 there all weekend . If any of you are there, feel free to stop by and say hi. I'll be checking updates and posting anything new on here through my phone. Thanks again everyone.
HEK - yikes on this whole issue. Good luck getting reinstated.

Mike Dentale is listed as a pro player on Poker Pages, but with no photo. I play fairly regularly at the Borgata and am familiar with a player named Mike who always struck me as somewhat off-kilter. I'm not sure why I have this impression of him since I don't know him well, and I could be wrong about him, but the few times that I have interacted with him have left me with the impression that he isn't a stand-up character.

The Mike that I am thinking of is short (5'7" - 5'10"), slightly chunky, has black hair, and is in his late 30s to early 40s. He usually wears dark wraparound sunglasses at the table. Does this description fit Mike Dentale?
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12-29-2008 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DrewOnTilt
HEK - yikes on this whole issue. Good luck getting reinstated.

Mike Dentale is listed as a pro player on Poker Pages, but with no photo. I play fairly regularly at the Borgata and am familiar with a player named Mike who always struck me as somewhat off-kilter. I'm not sure why I have this impression of him since I don't know him well, and I could be wrong about him, but the few times that I have interacted with him have left me with the impression that he isn't a stand-up character.

The Mike that I am thinking of is short (5'7" - 5'10"), slightly chunky, has black hair, and is in his late 30s to early 40s. He usually wears dark wraparound sunglasses at the table. Does this description fit Mike Dentale?
That's def. not him. He's prob mid 30's, in shape, wears athletic clothing, and very quiet (usually)
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12-29-2008 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 88Orange
Mashantucket Pequot Tribal Nation Casino :

v. :

Todd ‘HEK’ :

v. :

Frankie Flowers & Mike Dentale :


O P I N I O N

JTL, writing for the Court. The defendant, Todd HEK, convicted by a jury of Foxwoods security, appealed from the judgment to the two plus two court of appeals. He contended (1) that he was unfairly deprived of more than $2,000.00 by Mike Dentale’s breach of a pot equity contract, (2) that the trial court jury erred by excluding at trial hearsay statements that Mike the floor allegedly made to the parties to the contract, and (3) that a lifetime ban is cruel and unusual punishment for the crime for which the jury convicted the defendant.

Before the court addresses the defendant’s issues raised on appeal, it is necessary to delve into the historical relationship between the parties in the matter in order to meet out justice in the case before the bar.

Although the court’s understanding of the event significant to the parties’ history originates solely from hearsay it is nevertheless sufficiently certain of the circumstances to re-state that history here:
Several months ago, HEK was in a five or six-handed NLH game with FF and someone who is friendly with FF. There was aggressive betting action pre-flop that seemed not have made perfect poker sense to a high-level poker professional . . . something similar to FF flat calling a raise, a raise by FF’s friend, a call by HEK and then an all-in raise by FF. After said action, HEK thought that the action by FF and his friend seemed sufficiently dubious for HEK instruct the dealer to not muck the hands of the participants and to call the floor supervisor (hereinafter referred to as floor). HEK pleaded his case to the floor, who stopped the game, spoke individually to FF and then to his friend, and then examined FF’s hand and his friend’s hand. At the conclusion of the floor’s investigation, the floor was not convinced that collusion occurred. The game continued with all persons continuing to participate, and with no person receiving a sanction.

Since HEK accused FF of cheating, FF has harbored extreme disdain and ill will toward HEK. This court believes FF is seeking retribution for being maligned before his of his peers and since that day has sought revenge. FF recognized the pot equity dispute as an opportunity for retaliation and seized upon this fortuitous circumstance to torment the defendant, HEK.

While the court does not sanction FF’s actions, as those actions interfered with a fair pot equity agreement between parties who had a mutual understanding and meeting of the minds, FF’s actions, though not honorable, are somewhat mitigated when one considers FF’s hatred for HEK slandering FF’s name by accusing him as a cheater, with, at a minimum, insufficient evidence to warrant such a public and persistent accusation. Moreover, as HIV astutely brought to the court’s attention, it is extremely unlikely that FF was staking Mike Dentale. FF would not be playing $5 $10 while having his horse play in a bigger game. If FF's bankroll would have allowed, he would most certainly have been playing in the bigger game.

Similarly, despite his frustration at believing he was being colluded against, it is less than honorable for HEK to post on the most well-known internet poker forum that “I caught Frankie Flowers cheating in a 10/20nl game we were playing in. He was working with another player at the table to collude. I caught him in the act of doing so.” HEK may have then suspected and may now still believe FF was colluding against him, but HEK certainly does not have the proof of that sufficient to make the above statement. It’s unfair and inaccurate to say HEK caught FF in the act of cheating. One can imagine the disdain for HEK one would have if one were not colluding and in FF’s situation . . . being accused of cheating, having the floor investigate, having the floor conclude that there is insufficient evidence to justify the accusation, and then have the accuser continue to tell people, “I caught FF cheating.” One may even resort to telling others to ‘F HEK’, whether or not HEK deserves to get F’ed in an unrelated situation.


Based on the testimony of the parties and the brief of the defendant, the court holds as follows:

1. The only villain here is Mike Dentale. He agreed to a pot equity chop, whether or not it was sanctioned by the casino. He agreed; he didn’t pay. He should be shunned as the dishonorable and untrustworthy person he is for breaking his word and stealing $2,000.00 from HEK.

2. For all the ways HEK exacerbated the situation, contributed to getting himself thrown out, and gave an incomplete version of an essential back-story involving himself and FF, he isn’t a villain. This author has not seen HEK do anything shady in the many hours I’ve played with him. I think sneaking extra chips on the table in a capped game is shady and cheating; I haven’t seen him do even that.

3. FF did to HEK in real life what HEK is doing to FF in this post: throwing gas on a bad situation and fanning the flames in an effort to see his nemesis get burned, irrespective of whether throwing gas is the warranted and uncaring if the flames get so big that the nemisis gets burned more than he deserves. Imagine, HEK if FF stated to all who would listen at FW: “Yeah, Foxwoods banned HEK - for life - because that scumbag cheater was caught breaking the rules and was caught trying to take chips from another player’s stack.” While technically true, it is wholly inaccurate . . . not that dissimilar to “I caught FF cheating.”


4. FF shouldn’t have advised Mike Dentale to “ ‘F’ Todd (HEK) – don’t pay him anything; tell him I put you in the game and tell him if he has a problem with not getting paid to see me about that problem’” in retaliation for HEK accusing him of colluding.

5. HEK most certainly does not deserve to get banned from FW, not even for a day. He did, however, contribute to his own banning by going to FF, who was playing poker at another table, and engage him in a discussion that began, essentially, “despite that you are a scumbag, I am taking the high road and moving on” . . . a discussion that may very well have inflamed an already tense situation. HEK did not get thrown out after the pot equity chop; he got thrown out after he lit a small spark on the casino floor by confronting FF and it turned into a three alarm conflagration, necessitating that security be dispatched hose down the arsonist.

And, all concerned should know that the floor was not out to get HEK, nor was he favoring FF or Mike Dentale. The floors are not allowed to take tips. I have never seen a floor take a tip, nor have I ever in my four years of playing at FW heard of any floor ever taking a tip. I am not justifying the floor’s ruling or behavior, but it was not to favor anyone nor to influence HEK getting thrown out. The Foxwoods floors’ rulings are as random as the distribution of cards, but like cards, they are equally random for all players. (There are good floors, too, such as Mark Rathburn, who consistently makes appropriate rulings and goes to bat for the players’ rights).

In addition, the court recommends that in order to address the third of defendant/appeallant's claims, HEK, sans legal representation (at first), take direct appeal of the Foxwood’s security jury’s ruling by requesting an in-person meeting with someone higher than anyone on the security team. Once before that higher-up, state the truth: that HEK was under the misimpression that he and another consenting player could chop a pot; he proceeded to attempt to chop the pot under the floor supervisor’s supervision (as evidence that HEK had no bad or surreptitious intentions). When the floor supervisor clarified that chips can not go from one player’s stack to another player’s stack other than as a result of the outcome of a hand, HEK made no further attempts to take chips from the other persons’ chip stack. Further, the unintentional conflagration ensued much later, when HEK addressed the misimpression with someone believed to be involved in the decision not to abide by the two players’ mutual agreement. HEK is sorry for the trouble he caused as a result of a misimpression; it will never occur again; HEK will never light a spark at FW casino again, and that he's supporting his family, kids, dog, etc. . . . good luck to HEK.
Wow. As an unbiased 3rd party basing a judgment solely on the posts in this thread, it seemed pretty obvious HEK was hiding something. Pretty nice post, however...

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Lastly, for all those posters who say "FF is a scumbag" I bet few of you know him and none of you has the guts to say what you posted to his face . . . you are also the ones on whom judgment should be passed.
Shame you had to end it with this nonsensical grade-school rambling.
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12-29-2008 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by FoxwoodsFiend
1) You should definitely get a lawyer and write a letter to Foxwoods
I'm not in lawschool quite yet...but, this. Given that you derived your income from there for an extended period of time, you certainly have some sort of case against them. They would probably let you back in immediately rather than deal with the headache, and all it would take would be a letter from a lawyer which would cost you less than $100.


Edit: I have read the rest of the thread. The issue at hand here is not FF or Mike Whateverhisnameis or any of that jazz. It has nothing to do with who is calling whom names on a message board, or even the agreement made over the equity chop (gambling related debts are not legally viable in this country.) The issue is HEK's ability to get back into Foxwoods. Given that he has relied on the games provided by foxwoods to put food on the table for his family for an extended period of time, Foxwoods needs a pretty damn good reason to ban him from their property regardless of whether or not they are a private institution etc. As I aluded to in my op HEK's main goal with a lawyer is to expedite the process of getting his lifetime ban removed. If you seek counsel and he finds a legitimate case (again, I am not a lawyer, nor have I taken my first law class...but I am friends with several and my father is one, so I know how the system works) this process will get you back in to FW very quickly for relatively little money.

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