I lie? No chip dumping as in "hacking an account and dumping chips" God ur a fcn moron, its just so tough to deal with you.

3 people? Ur yet to find a person that can provide an inch of evididence that I stole a dollar. U found a guy who transfered my boy 2k or somethin then he flaked.

Ill let you buy out of the bet for $19,990. $10 discount cause im in a good mood.

Viffer, when you wrote the realy long post and you are talking about shipping 2k etc, do you mean 200k or is this back in the day when you werent worth millions? just ooi....

Why not just start a new thread? This was a very entertaing thread about a HU match. Now it's been completely hijacked. Needless to say you don't like the guy/think he is shady but does that mean you're not going to let him post? Cmon bro....let it go.

really? who? Vic and J have bought significant pieces of me in Huge games. And about 8 other people in the world have bought small pieces/swapped etc.

What % of poker players havent swapped/sold to 10 people over the last 5 years? I just did the list on paper, i have sold a piece of a tourn, cash game or swapped to a total of 11 people my entire life. + you will only find 2 people that have ever lost a dime backing/swapping me. I lost ryan redler 7500 when he had 10% of me in a 200/400 game. Untill this weekend I was in makeup w J. Other than that Good luck finding someone who has lost money buying any of my action. SICKKKKK scam I run huh! I "TRICK" people into buying small pieces of me, then i win and break them off their share.

Oh ***, i think I lost esko like $700 online once when he had a piece of me, I stand corrected,but *** HIM cause ive invited him to the SICKEST games ever.

everyone knows i didnt write that, its someone jesse stole from. im not edumacated enough.

its enough proof to cast doubt and you said your morals and character were impecable so it shouldnt be a rpobalem for you to take!!!!

enough with the smoke and mirrors i found 3 people who say you stole from them, now you admitted that all 3 of these people you know, so they arent bums off the street. you admitted not paying one of them cause he anoyed you, well that is steeling.

should we look into your criminal record?

bro you lose, but just to be fair ill let you take a lie detector test so there is no doubt.

get your foot out of your mouth and die in a grease fire!



ok, heres the story. jesse made friends with some dude named damon. i guess jesse talked damon into going partners on fulltilt. i say "i guess" because damon wasnt a very good player so i have to assume that this "partnership" was cooked up by jesse.

i never met damon. i live in the bay area and this is a guy jesse made friends with from the comerce. ive only talked with damon on some 3 way phone calls and a few times through emails. i quickly found out that damon was a quircky/spazzy kind of guy........espeacially when he loses.......so i decided not to talk to the guy any more.

so anyway, damon and jesse went halves on some poker account........i think it was "nolimitdizzle". jesse would do most of the playing and i guess they had some sort of percentage deal worked out. it could have been a 50/50 split......i dont remember.

so anyway, this is where the story gets kind of cloudy and this is where i tell you the facts as relayed to me by jesse. jesse owed eskaborr some money. so, they both jump on a 25/50 nl heads up table on ftp and jesse chip dumps a decent sum........like 30-40k.......using the nolimitdizzle account.

this never seemed to be a problem between jesse and damon because they still had their partnership.

so, over the next few weeks, damon would also play on the account. damon would normaly not play as high a stakes as jesse. i knew this because everyday, i would look up the screen name on tableratings and see how they were doing.......plus, jesse usually kept me informed on everything he was up to.

so, one day i noticed a huge wiining day, something like 70k. i called up jesse and asked what happened. jesse told me he didnt play, it was damon playing. jesse told me that they had a "falling out".

jesse told me that damon started freaking out because jesse wasnt winning. jesse told me, he thought damon was overreacting because in all reality, without the chip dumping to eskaborr, they were only stuck 9k total.

this is where the story gets shady to me. jesse tells me that damon accused him of purposely losing. it would seem to me that damon would know that the chip dumping to eskaborr was a pay back of money owed.........but who the **** knows. maybe jesse never told damon that.

either way, even if jesse did tell damon, it just goes to show how funky jesse is. half that money in that account (i guess it was half, thats what jesse told me......but who the **** knows) but jesse takes a large sum of that money and "pays" somebody else back with it.

see, thats the thing about jesse, he's so ****in lax about money........espeacially when it involves other people's money. i had to find that out the hard way unfortunately. i mean seriously, what the **** does yur personal buisness have to do with a "shared" account? why the **** didnt jesse just pay back eskaborr in cash?

i never questioned jesse on these things or ever thought jesse was shady because i knew how damon was. damon was kind of weird when it came to losing. i also knew that jesse seemed to have a good repore with eska and some other reputable names. i have never presonally met any of these people but i knew who most of them were.

so anyways, damon did his own playing and made a decent score........and then shortly there after, busted the account.

me and jesse never talked about damon anymore after that. jesse always stayed in touch with me and let me know what was going on in his poker escapades.

so anyways, this is when i started noticing how jesse was funky when it came to money. mind you, i am a winning player.......but struggling because i dont have much money. jesse has always mentioned about staking me or how i should get staked. i always refused. jesse thought i was stupid. he told me that he could find a bunch of guys willing to stake me. he told me i need to develope credit in the poker world etc. etc.

i always found that funny. jesse always called me and tells me about the big money he wins. why does he have to find someone else to stake me? to stake me is only like 10k or so. i would think this is piss ant money for jesse. i asked him why doesnt he stake me then? he tells me that if i make him 50k, it doesnt change his life any.......its a waste of time for him.

so i left it at that. this is why i never wanted those kinds of arrangements because i feel like i have to beg. ive never borrowed and i never owed anyone a dime and i want to keep it that way........even if it means i'm broke all the time......or at least cash poor......which is basically the same as being broke in my opinion.

so anyways, i been grinding small stakes online. its always a ****in struggle but i turned 600 into like 12k in 7 months. i was doing ok. i knew jesse had a bunch of money and i needed some cash because i had damn near all my net worth on fulltilt.

i called up jesse and asked him if i could transfer him some money and get cash from him. he told me no. he said he had like 300k online and was trying to get rid of it himself.

this is where my relationship with jesse took a step down in my book. he knew i was ****in struggling, he knows i'm an honest and reliable guy, he knows i help him out any time he needs it........yet he cant help me out for a measly ****in 1k transfer.

that was fine, i got a little upset about it but i dont expect favors from anyone. i'm never friends with anyone other than just being friends........but the thing is, i found out that jesse is kind of "funny" when it comes to money.

no problem. i except people and their quirks just like i expect people to do the same for me. nobody is perfect.

at no point in time here did i never have trust issues with jesse. i knew he had money, i know he was doing a lot of things in hollywood when it came to poker so i knew that his credit had to be good.

a week goes by and jesse emails me. he asks me how much i got online. i asked how much u need? he said as much as i got. i said i could ship him 3k. he says ok.


the next ****in day, he calls me up and says he's in big trouble with damon. he says his life is being threatened and yada yada yada. i asked why, he said that damon is accusing him of stealing 40k from him off the fulltilt account they had a while back.

so jesse goes and tells me some story about how damon is crazy and damon had a net worth of at least a million and pretty much went broke through bad investments and whatever........and is now freaking out and looking to get any money he can through any means possible.

and in the is case, the means are extortion.

i was concerned of course because jesse was a friend. i was also concerned because i just shipped 3k to someone who has basically never lifted a finger for me to help me out.......but thats neither here nor there.......i did trust jesse........but i'm sure u know what i mean.

so now, i dont hear from him for days. i have to admit i was starting to get worried. i'd text him and he never replied. then, later in the week, he replied and said how damon was going to send some ex prison gang banger after him and what not and jesse was setting up a meeting so he could explain his side of the story, yada yada yada.

you know what viffer, at this point, i was concerned but i started thinking this whole situation was getting gay and dramatic.

so now, a week goes by and i hear from jesse here and there. jesse now decides to come back to the bay area and "lay low". i always found that strange because in my book, why doesnt he just go straighten this idiot damon out or better yet, go to the police?

jesse claims that if he goes to the police, then damon goes to jail and this opens up even more doors for jesse to get extorted.

?????ok, whatever. its not my life. i personally wouldnt handle it like that.

so jesse comes back to the bay area and a few days later, shows up at my house. he puts the 3k he owed on my desk and we hung out, talked and played online poker.

he then left and my life was fine. i was doing my grinding, staying in touch with jesse.......who was like one of my very few friends........and life in general was getting a bit better for me because i wasnt as cash poor now.

so, sometime there after, i made some aggressive investments in bigger cash games and some 500 dollar tournaments. i was taking an educated shot now that i had the extra money to do it with. jesse also borrowed another 2k which i shipped to one of his "many" online accounts.

i mean, he paid me back the 3k, right? he's in these huge cash games, money seems to be pouring out of his ass. should i worry?

well, of course my investments didnt go well because i ran like ass but it was ok, i could afford it. but i continued to run really ****ed for about 70k hands online.

now i really needed that 2k back from jesse but i wasnt sweating it. i still had money and i figured the 2k was the same as money in the bank. the problem was that i was starting to get cash poor online and i wasnt able to play my normal games i was life rolled for. i called up jesse numberous times and he told me he was trying to get money online himself and yada yada yada.

that was fine. i trusted him and i already knew from the get go that jesse was never "johnny on the spot".

so anyway, a few days goes by and i started thinking about jesse's situation about choosing to "lay low". i text'd him and told him that i thought it was a bad choice. i told him that if he was innocent, why lay low? i told him that maybe there was more to the story and if there was, i totally understand because thats the way most people's story go (EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE VIFFER).

not once did i ever think jesse was a rip off artist. i told him that there is going to be a number of people (even his friends) who (will never say it to his face) but in the back of their minds, they will take his "laying low" as a sign of some sort of guilt.

jesse replied back and got really angry and defensive and accused me of saying he was guilty.

i emailed him back and told him he misunderstood. i never felt that way, i was just giving him advice (i'm 41).

but no, he insisted that i was questiong his character and whatever.

this is when i decided to end my friendship with him. not so much because of this lame argument.......but because of all the drama, his flakiness, his keeping me in the dark about stuff........espeacially when he has my money in limbo.......and numberous other things that i never bothered to mention in this novel i have written u viffer.

so, i imediately replied back and told him how i felt and i just wanted to end it quietly. i didnt want to be friends anymore. ive had friends like jesse in the past......people with big ideas and they end up wasting yur time, flakes, **** like that. i always thought jesse was a coold guy but i can only be friends with people who are really responsible in all shapes and forms........but thats just me. maybe some people dont mind being on "jesse time".......i do. its lame.

so, thats the kind of guy i am. jesse owed me money and i could have massaged our argument just so i could get my money back first......and then tell him i dont want to be friends.

but thats chicken **** in my book. i dont operate that way. maybe not the smartest play from me but i figured jesse would never rip me off anyway. he told me he would send the money to my bank account later that week.........and thats where the 2 months of run around occured till this day.

i have messaged him many times and only heard a few replies of him saying he would "take care of it"......or ask me if i want ftp money......all kinds of **** but to no avail.

its obvious to me now that he is just trying to torture me out of spite because of a lame misunderstanding. the guy has basically ruined me because that 2k represented 25% of my net worth. if i knew this was going to happen, i would have never made those aggressive investments.

couple all that with an untimely 100k hand cold streak and i'm back to square one of being nearly busto again. jesse knows this too. i have sent him letters explaing my situation. i'm sure he loves it.

i dont have any other recorse to getting my money other than violent means and i cant do that. its not worth 2k. i have no idea where he lives.......nothing. that is why i contacted you. i at least had to let someone know in the big cash game world hom much of a pos jesse is and how potentially shady his back ground is.

i also used to have one of his buisness cards for a hedge fund him and some other guy used to run. i threw the card away but i wonder how that company did.

you see, the 2k amount is'nt really **** but look at the action. look at the character behind it. its not just 2k, its a desperately needed 2k that effects someone's life.

does this sound like the actions of a "good guy"? i mean seriously viff, i want to strangle his ****ing soul.

and this damon thing. i didnt question that situation till just a few days ago. i cant prove it but i'll bet jesse ****ed that guy over. why shouldnt i think so? he ****ed me over.

i'm not too worried about it though because i know that i am completely innocent of any wrong doings and people like him will "get theres". it innevitable.

i mean, jesse wanted me to deal a crooked game to some old man that jesse accuses of cheating him in a private game. i understood jesse's anger at the time and an eye for an eye is ok.........but i still refused to get involved because i know how important it is to keep a good rep in the poker world. i was broke as **** at the time too but i refuse to get involved in shady ****. jesse is such an idiot. i tried to explain to him how its better to swallow the loss and chalk it up to experience.

......but jesse is a spiteful ****er, as you can see by my letter.

good luck viff and remember, i have nothing to gain by my story here. everything is the truth the way i understand it and the way jesse told me his side of things. i'm not after anything except a little satisfaction of knowing that there are at least a few people who know jesse's story.

like i said, i wouldnt throw a nickel in his direction. he's a pos.

WHATTTTTTT?! 3 people?!!!!!!!!!!!!!! r u mentally fcn ******ed!
u found one guy, who i didnt steal sht from.

Who are the other 2? damon? u didnt find him nor did he speak- he's a guy who tried to extort me. that counts? LOL No clue where 3rd person comes from. And 1 of the 2 is a bum off the street.

Wanna bet on my criminal record too now? Lets do it, I will have 100k escrowd by midnight at the latest. U name the rules.

Sorry dude; u still have ~26 hours for the first 20k bet. And in the event it becomes a matter of perspective we will both post our sides on an unrelated poker forum and avg the answers w long time poster on said forum, cause im sure viffer nut huggers are gonna side w u NO MATTER what u say.

YOU are yet to find any proof that ive ever stolen a dollar from someone. GOGOGOGO. Easiest 20k I ever made

well said

a lie detector test will do, if you are so inocent it shouldnt be hard to pass.


or how about if we just ask people that used to play in that great poker game you speak of but dont anymore, they can be the judge? people tht know you?

viffer. how old were you when you first reached 1 mil net worth

is ur brain mush? nothing u say is clear, u dont answer questions, u answer them w weird off the wall sht and change subjects

To clarify:

we have 2bets for 20k each- 1) 48 hours to find someone w some proof i have stolen a dollar from. u have approx 26 hours left as u are yet to fullfill this correct.

2) we also have a bet for 20k that i will pass a lie detector test- terms not met yet, but im obv in, as its more free monies.

3- would you like to bet on my criminal record, i will have money escrowed immed as will you, set terms, u fcn big mouthed mother fkr. Kepp draggin my name. Put your money up minimum 100k. set terms and a click "accept". I have gotten driving tix, had warrents for unpaid speeding tix etc like everyother person. No jail, no court ****, no convictions, etc

so how bout we bet on time spent in jail/fellonies/misdermeanors/times arrested

i already won bet 1, please pay me, you admitted to it already.

as to bet 2 thats fine also pass lie detector test stating you have never stole a dollar from anyone.

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i dont speak of anymore? or dont play in anymore? ask them what? if ive ever stolen? sure-we'll add that and be at 60k?

set terms and write accept, ill accept or deny, if u say something Viffertastic******ed like : any human that has ever played w u suspects that u have at some point screwed someone outta 100 bux or greater i will insta deny. I have angle shot friends in small pots for laughs and had ppl that we didnt know we are friends and do this to eachother all the time think I SCREWED MY FRIEND.

on way to one of them games you talk about in nyc, why dont you stop by so we can discuss in detail, o wait they dont let cheating 2 bit hustlers in sorry, i could meet you on sidewalk for a cig tho! please ship firt bet to viffer on stars ty!

you won bet 1? ur on drugggggs. Not one person i know even know what he look like, ill bet u another 20k u cant find a person that can prove I am friends w could tell you what the 2k guy looks like. Therefore isnt his "testimony" sorta useless, to say the least. SOme dude pms u I havent paid him 2k and u say u won the bet

I will no longer entertain you w these bets and this BS if this is how its gonna go. u have 25 hours left. Admit u are yet to find ANY PROOF I have stolen a dollar from someone or im no longer doin this w you

u want the best of everyworld- u wanna drag my name, then bet, then pretend like u win the bet. SO for fun lets see how this works for you: have no facts, dont know someone, make wild claims, make bets you dont intend to pay, make ******ed interpretations then walk w 20k. Must be nice

maybe now they wont- well played, but ive had many invites.

And VERY WELL PLAYED SIR! Perk is textng me "dude, not playing u anymore, ur drama is gonna blow up in my fave w this viffer sht, cant have sht gettin out to parents bout these games"

Mucho gracias Viffer, well done.

If its Mol's game why not just ask her about me n perky playing u fcn genius.

Seriously last post if ur welchin on the bet

you can just give my first bet to perky if ur in NYC. TY

maybe starting this thread was not the brightest idea

helluva drug

Guess starting this thread wasn't the best idea. Who'd have known though, right?

he was all good w it, we have a bet riding on it and im about to win

Who knew Viffer was so bored and this'd happen.

PAGING Viffer

Im out for the night, be back round 3-4. Dont bother rambling ur fcn nonsense. U have till tomorrow 4 pm to provide evidence that I have stolen from someone. Finding some guy that says he sent money to XYZ and blah blah blah not even close. Did he ship my boy money, ya, did he get paid, no. Did i steal money? LOL. Just 3 weeks ago buddy bought action of mine, i lost, call him for the money- he's bust has nothing. did he steal? no, did he screw me over, sure. what he did was like 9000x jacked than 2k guys argument when i dont even owe him the money in the first place someone else does.

also set up that lie detector, set up terms for "people i know" and more than happy to do criminal bets w you.

If you reply any nonsense, bs, ******ed sht that OBV favors you but is fcn ******ed i will not respond and i expeect money to be payed promptly. You attack my integrity but ur gonna welch on the bet huh. Interesting.

Ill take bellagio chips too btw

thread just turned epic

wtf at people saying it wasn't a good idea to start this thread? he's said before that he has a bet riding with perky on the thread so it's clearly fine with perky. it's kinda hard to predict someone like viffer coming in and trying to ruin your rep like he did.

viffer, im sure in your mind you're trying to do good but you come off really bad here. all you have done is copy and paste some story written to you, and onepac has done a pretty good job of explaining that (especially since it seems to be a well known story and people should be able to back it up). pretty classless of you to drag his name through the mud like this when you seemingly have no proof.

whatever though, on with the drama this thread is ****ing entertaining

Whats everyones real names here?