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Old 02-03-2012, 02:48 PM   #1
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Exclamation Holy crap: Stars raises rake at 50/100-NL by 50% - 300%

Just got an email from Stars about this...rake changes at Stars are obviously old news and the Zoo has been up in arms about it, but 50/100+ players look to be getting a pretty raw deal. I doubt much will come from this post (although I'll offer myself up for a free Isle of Man vaca to discuss), but I think something that's going to take 4-figures+ out of the pockets of others who play 50/100 should probably see the light of day in front of an HSNL audience. To those who play HU: gg.

OLD RAKE
Heads Up: $0.50
3 handed: $1.00
4-5 handed: $2.00
6+ handed: $3.00


NEW RAKE:
Heads Up: $2.00
3-4 handed: $3.00
5 handed: $5.00


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There will continue to be no charge for hands that end preflop.

We believe it is appropriate to make this increase to align the rake at $50/$100 more closely with the rake at $100/$200 instead of aligning it with $25/$50 as it has been in the past. There is a big difference between the pools of players at $25/$50 and $50/$100. Many would consider this the dividing line between ‘High Stakes’ and ‘Nosebleeds’.

Even after this rake increase for $50/$100, we believe that our rake at these stakes is competitive within the industry. We encourage any interested players to perform an independent review of $50/$100 rake at other online poker rooms that offer action at these stakes.

This rake change is being made as a part of a package of rake changes recently agreed to with a panel of player representatives who visited us on the Isle of Man for a week to discuss possible improvements to the site. The result of the changes was overall rake cuts that are expected to result in a reduction in ring game rake site-wide of almost 3% if play remains the same as in the past.

Most rake reductions went to micro and low stakes players, which in turn will benefit the whole poker ecosystem on PokerStars. All other rake changes went into effect yesterday (February 1), but we decided to delay this change for two weeks to give you advance notice.

As a $50/$100 player you may not be in favor of a change that will result in higher fees at a game that you play. However, I hope that after this explanation you find this change to be understandable and reasonable and made with the best long-term interests of all poker players in mind.

Best Wishes,
Steve Day
Manager of VIP, Team Online, Ring Games and Sit & Go Tournaments
p.s. did HSNL have any representation among the IOM panel, or did we get thrown under the bus by microdonks?
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Old 02-03-2012, 02:55 PM   #2
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Re: Holy crap: Stars raises rake at 50/100-NL by 50% - 300%

This is ridiculous. As if they didn't make enough before rake hike? And what did HU players do to deserve such a steep increase?
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Old 02-03-2012, 03:46 PM   #3
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Re: Holy crap: Stars raises rake at 50/100-NL by 50% - 300%

your lobby wans't strong enough. DUCY?

also you always had a break on rake so...payback?

pokerstars taking the socialist line lol.

all against the 1%
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:08 PM   #4
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Re: Holy crap: Stars raises rake at 50/100-NL by 50% - 300%

The problem with this rake increase is that it punishes table starting even more. The biggest increases are on shorthanded play.
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:16 PM   #5
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Re: Holy crap: Stars raises rake at 50/100-NL by 50% - 300%

Funny too see the guys buying in for 10k+ complaining about $1.50....
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:53 PM   #6
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Re: Holy crap: Stars raises rake at 50/100-NL by 50% - 300%

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Funny too see the guys buying in for 10k+ complaining about $1.50....
only if you're completely clueless!
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:29 PM   #7
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Re: Holy crap: Stars raises rake at 50/100-NL by 50% - 300%

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The problem with this rake increase is that it punishes table starting even more. The biggest increases are on shorthanded play.
This.

$2 HU is insane.
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:29 PM   #8
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Re: Holy crap: Stars raises rake at 50/100-NL by 50% - 300%

I guess if they did this before when 50/1 plo wasn't running all the time wouldn't be much of a problem for most but now it looks alot different

pretty ridiculous the percentages they chose to make it
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:37 PM   #9
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Re: Holy crap: Stars raises rake at 50/100-NL by 50% - 300%

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Funny too see the guys buying in for 10k+ complaining about $1.50....
Yea, getting to the point where you can play high stakes games means you're totally going to be the type of person that passes up edges on the regular.
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:39 PM   #10
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Re: Holy crap: Stars raises rake at 50/100-NL by 50% - 300%

Well now that there biggest competition is gone they can do this without many repercussions.
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:41 PM   #11
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Gotta assume you're gonna be seeing more and more of this from Pokerstars now that they have a monopoly on high stakes
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:44 PM   #12
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Gotta assume you're gonna be seeing more and more of this from Pokerstars now that they have a monopoly on high stakes
This. I really am not surprised.
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:50 PM   #13
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Re: Holy crap: Stars raises rake at 50/100-NL by 50% - 300%

They take 1bb for a $100 pot at 50nl or 50 cents. I can understand how people would not like the change but Imagine if they took 1bb rake for one hand at $50/100
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:02 AM   #14
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Re: Holy crap: Stars raises rake at 50/100-NL by 50% - 300%

I'm really curious how high the rake would have to get for a table full of regs not to sit in when the fish shows up.
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:20 AM   #15
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They take 1bb for a $100 pot at 50nl or 50 cents. I can understand how people would not like the change but Imagine if they took 1bb rake for one hand at $50/100
Not hard to imagine empty tables.
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