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Hitting a hidden 4 outer - 20K underground pot - Hitting a hidden 4 outer - 20K underground pot -

01-13-2015 , 09:34 PM
Hero is almost 1000bb deep with a bunch of fish at the table many of whome are also 1000bb deep. It's a 5/10 underground game and they only rake $3 per pot. Some of the fish with 10K in front of them are abysmal players. Hero is in poker heaven, but is feeling the pressure because he feels like every time he folds he is wasting precious time with the fish. For that reason, Hero is play very very loose passive preflop and taking lots of flops. On the button hero will call with hands as weak as unsuited 1 gappers. Hero has super LAG image and is involved in like 40% of pots or so.

UTG (269bb) (half decent LAG, probably profitable player, never mixes it up and easy to read, plays as standard as can be so hero can easily outplay him because he understands how he approaches the game) bets $32
MP (old millionare grandpa, super passive fish, loses probably every session) calls.
BB calls (over 1000BB deep) (this dude used to be a sponsered pokerstars pro, an older (south american?) dude, he overplays big hands and it's easy to extract value from him, I feel like a lot of the fishy regs outplay him. Maybe he just stole someone elses sponsored shirt? he hasn't played online poker or been associated with pokerstars in years but still wears the jacket to cash games (no, its not one of the ones you get with FPPs). Anyways I think he is a wanna-be tricky player who often just plays bad instead of tricky.
Hero is on the SB with 35
Hero calls.
BB folds ...?

Pot - $140
Flop: A4T

Hero Checks
UTG bets $80
MP folds
CO calls
Hero.....?
Hero calls. Here im getting such good odds and we are so deep i think it's a pretty clear call.

Pot - $380
Turn 2
DING
Hero checks.
UTG checks.
CO bets $250
Hero ....????
Hero decides CO is so deep he wants to try and go for max value here and raises it to $800
UTG folds
CO re-raises to $2100.

Here I hit quite the crossroads. I felt like re-re-raising to either $5000 or $10000 would send 2 pair or maybe even a set of fours running. I really don't want to lose a customer here so i elect to do something a little tricky and trap him. I'm almost certain he has a set here so if the board pairs I can just lay it down. This is the part of the hand I'm really unsure about.

Hero Calls.

Pot $4500
River 8
Hero checks. This I'm pretty unsure of as well.
CO bets $3000
Hero Jams.
CO tanks, then calls.
CO shows 44

Hero loves the underground. Biggest pot of my life by far. (biggest before this one was prob 4k?) Hero is mind blown. Venue finds higher denomination chips reserved for higher stakes games for hero because his chip stack is too large.
01-13-2015 , 11:19 PM
I think you made a typo in your descriptions, I think CO, not BB is the former Stars pro?

Given that we're super deep against what appears to be face-up/weak opponents and likely to have relative position on everyone I don't mind the call pre.

Flop is OK since CO is quite sticky, although if MP and CO folded to UTGs c-bet I'd either c/f or c/r since our IO are quite low here if he still has bluffs in his range after c-betting.

Turn check/raise is fine since given the description of CO, he's both likely to bet when checked to, and also not likely to fold any sort of value hand when raised.

When we get 3B on the turn if we're certain he has a set, and also will value-bet his own hands then calling and CRAI on non-pairing rivers is probably optimal since there aren't really any rivers which will stop him betting. There's also a non-zero chance he's bluffing with 45s type hands since he's a wanna-be tricky sort of player.

If there was an FD, or the board was more coordinated then I'd be more inclined to 4B here. Given description, 2P or a set is likely not folding here anyway, especially since we have a LAG image against a sticky player.

River is fine given there's a non-zero (albeit very small) chance he has some sort of bluff here, and he's going to bet all his value hands when checked to here anyway.


Finally, this hand seems almost identical to this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk4b-Lj_taM
01-14-2015 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Corto Montez

Finally, this hand seems almost identical to this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk4b-Lj_taM
Mind blown. This is honestly the exact same hand. I may just be as good as Tom Dwan. HU for rollz against durrrr starting in 15minutes.

I disagree that 4-betting the turn is pretty similar to calling. one reason i elected to call is because i feel like 4 betting this turn I'm showing up with bluffs 0% of the time (and i don't plan on ever including them) so any reasonable player could accurately put me on the nuts or near nuts. Calling lets me merge these two obscure ranges together. As you pointed out, if the board was wetter I could and probably should 4-bet here because I don't want my opponent to draw out on me, or a scare card to kill action. That being said, I think that against any competent opponent there is almost no value in betting in a spot where you would never be bluffing or semi bluffing, and I think a lot of decent players could make some huge laydowns if i 4bet the turn here because theres really no combo draws to merge my air and my monsters, and if i never have air when i put in a fourth bet on the turn (which is true, I don't), reasonable players could lay down bottom or even middle set correctly, but those same players would volinatley put in that same bet on the river for me if i just call (for value). As an added bonus, even good players sometimes feel like they are priced when i jam on the river, and will call with hands that they probably know are behind (which seems to me to be exactly what happened), but those same hands will fold to a 4-bet on the turn.

Last edited by TheSamasaurus; 01-14-2015 at 11:01 PM.
01-15-2015 , 02:20 PM
I would bet the flop.
01-16-2015 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Post-Oak
I would bet the flop.
lol...why?
01-16-2015 , 06:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin Agrees
lol...why?
to get it in on the flop and pray for a gutter ball? (one time dealer)
01-16-2015 , 07:05 PM
Fold pre. But since we're here.

Raising the turn again folds out the weaker part of his range. With the dry board I totally agree with the call and GII on all none pair rivers. Since all pairs hit his 2p and set ranges I think we've got an easy fold since there are no 2p combos we can totally outrule. As played we smashed it. Not sure what advice you were after.

Must say, unless we're planing on bombing our villain off his hand on later streets I hate the flop call. The implieds aren't correct unless vs 2p or set. His range is still open enough here that we can't be against lots of hands that can find folds. But we floated and hit the wonder card so congratulations.

Also good job getting yourself in this game
Sounds juicy as ****. We don't have many games like this in the UK. Any private 5/10 games here are strong as ****. And ev is natural at best.

Happy 2+2ing

-Mike
01-16-2015 , 07:07 PM
Fairly new here. Why do we sensor swearing? Surely it's 18+ gambling website????

*sigh*

**** it, who cares
01-17-2015 , 03:36 AM
Game is rigged. 2 4h in the deck. Nice fairy tale though.
01-17-2015 , 05:01 AM
Humberto Brenes!
01-19-2015 , 07:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin Agrees
lol...why?

I like to bet.

I would go so far as to say that if you're standard play here is to check call with 3-5 os on that great flop then you should definitely fold pre-flop. Were you hoping for a flop of 333? Bet out or CR both look good. I prefer to bet, just like I would if I actually had a hand. Check calling is not nearly as sneaky as people seem to think. Bet your ****ing hands, and your draws. You are 1000 bb deep and you have a sneaky 4 outs to the nuts.

All of this check-call/slow playing does not strike me as "super LAG" btw. But people like to call themselves LAG, so whatever. You guys are all SUPER LAG. Check calling with with those draws and with the stone cold nuts is just so ****ing LAG.

Am I the only one who likes a bet on this great flop???
01-20-2015 , 01:42 AM
Cool hand. I play all streets the same. Like your sizing on the turn (instead of bigger which is debatable) to keep the described villian to continue with a wider range.
01-20-2015 , 07:25 PM
wp, i play the same
01-21-2015 , 05:16 PM
what was his reaction to your hand?

any of the players sketchy make you nervous about leaving with all that cash?

nice win
01-23-2015 , 08:43 AM
hmmm so you're playing a 5/10 game but people are betting with $1 chips?

never in my life played in a 5/10+ game where $1 chips played.

having a hard time believing there is a 5/10 game going where ppl are making it $32 preflop.
01-23-2015 , 11:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Post-Oak
I like to bet.

I would go so far as to say that if you're standard play here is to check call with 3-5 os on that great flop then you should definitely fold pre-flop. Were you hoping for a flop of 333? Bet out or CR both look good. I prefer to bet, just like I would if I actually had a hand. Check calling is not nearly as sneaky as people seem to think. Bet your ****ing hands, and your draws. You are 1000 bb deep and you have a sneaky 4 outs to the nuts.

All of this check-call/slow playing does not strike me as "super LAG" btw. But people like to call themselves LAG, so whatever. You guys are all SUPER LAG. Check calling with with those draws and with the stone cold nuts is just so ****ing LAG.

Am I the only one who likes a bet on this great flop???
I'm all for betting but this flop has an Ace in it which hits their range of hands if we bet this flop we are rep AT, A4, 44 and TT I suspect we raise TT some of the time so checking is standard here like 90-95% of the time.

So if betting what do you want to happen? Everyone fold sure. Most likely we will get called and miss the turn and be forced to continue our bluff which really means firing three streets. I don't know how likely someone is going to fold AK or AQ here...perhaps!

I think checking here and looking to keep the pot small and trying to keep players in the pot and catch that gin straight card for as cheap as possible. If we miss on the turn I'm done with the hand unless faced with another small bet and I can close the action.

I don't think we benefit at all by betting the flop unless we are prepared to load the gun and fire, turn and river.

In other words this is one time I don't mind c/c or c/f. We are OOP. We have no hand. We have little FE.
01-23-2015 , 06:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by riverboatking
hmmm so you're playing a 5/10 game but people are betting with $1 chips?

never in my life played in a 5/10+ game where $1 chips played.

having a hard time believing there is a 5/10 game going where ppl are making it $32 preflop.
01-24-2015 , 01:16 AM
what 's the deal with having $1 chips? seems consistent with raking $3. who cares anyways
01-24-2015 , 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by samooth
what 's the deal with having $1 chips? seems consistent with raking $3. who cares anyways
Agreed. I have no idea why some guy would waste his time posting the $ chip thing. Must just be a hater.
01-24-2015 , 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by samooth
what 's the deal with having $1 chips? seems consistent with raking $3. who cares anyways

you will absolutely have $1 chips on the table (you tip with them and get change from the rake) however they never play.

when you double up only increments of $5 are counted so if you have $994 you only get paid $990.

it doesn't matter really, but it just speaks to the fact that the HH is likely fabricated.
01-24-2015 , 11:43 PM
This hand is as real as that jenny story from reddit
01-25-2015 , 07:35 AM
link to the story pls
01-27-2015 , 09:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by riverboatking
you will absolutely have $1 chips on the table (you tip with them and get change from the rake) however they never play.

when you double up only increments of $5 are counted so if you have $994 you only get paid $990.

it doesn't matter really, but it just speaks to the fact that the HH is likely fabricated.
owned
02-01-2015 , 08:53 PM
This is the real ACEHIGHBLUFF.

If you have had any financial transactions with this account, you have been scammed.

If you have been scammed by my account please let me know if there is anyway I can help you
02-05-2015 , 01:27 AM
I like how he knows UTG has exactly 269bbs

      
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