you know, this hand has been bothering me for the last 2 - 3 years also. funny that my therapists and i were just talking about the hand the other day before it got bumped... kinda spooky imo.
This looks like a fold. There's a lot of TcX?, where is X is a club is well a decent portion of the time he does this. To play the role of Captain Obvious, you really have a bluff catcher at this point.
I think I'm flatting the pot river bet. It's just a crap spot to be in this deep. His donk be looks like a flush, and he's obviously capable of bluff raising here, but I don't think he's paying off a raise with worse hands often enough to make up for the time we got over flushed or get blown off our hand to make the raise worth while.
As played folding. Really cool hand to read though.
This was a cool thread. Although not nearly enough emphasis on pre-river stuff.. things like krantz's flop/turn/river CB%s, mastr's pf flat %, flop/turn CR%s, if mastr's donkpotted before, etc.. are what make the river decision.
There are plenty of situations (given the answers to the above) that have me just calling this river.
Obv. vill is representing higher flushes. Vill also knows his image, what he's shown you, how you perceive him, etc.
He likely puts you on what you have when you re-raise river, so the question now becomes: can vill give you enough credit in this spot to fold for the right pot odds % of the time. Villian might think you're a master leveler and think that you are aware of his previous bluffs and that you suspect he will change gears.
Do you have reason to believe that the villain would consider you capable of this kind of leveling? If the answer is "yes" I'm not definitively saying this is a fold, but it is a large consideration.
Last edited by benbrochill; 02-07-2012 at 03:44 PM.
Reason: whoops board didn't pair
you're going to call his pot bet on the river a lot more times than you are raising, so potting here with Qcx with the intention to shove over a raise seems dumb. Would he really pot Qc10 or QcQ here when he's getting called by better a lot more times than he is getting raised?
some hands that he can pot here and then turn into a bluff are two pairs. Given that you probably have a lot of 10xcc-qxcc here seems like it'd be a -ev spot to shove. And this is assuming we're folding all lower xxcc hands a fair amount of time.
River is most obvious flat in the world, and obviously fold to shove. Lol maybe im missing something. Also god bless mastrblastr if he did a retaeded donk bet with some random qc hand and now fets to bluff shove with it. Qcjx is only nonflush hand that makes any sense to do this with
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