cero,

I haven't stated my opinion on the hand yet. It is my opinion that OMGhotsprings shove was super ******ed and Delecto's call was super standard. But now Delecto has to deal with repeatedly being asked how he liked his trip to the hot springs!

lmfao and good story. Sorry for your luck, Joe.

Without any context and taken in a vacuum this hand does sound a bit ridiculous. I mean I was getting like 1.5:1 on the call with AK, so when the action was on me my first reaction was just to give it up. Before I did anything rash though I thought I'd think things through as well as study villain.

I couldn't figure out why he would flat-call a big hand there with high likelihood of facing a multiway pot, plus with his aggro image wouldn't he be more inclined to 4-bet it there? So when I thought about this I turned to villain and said "Damn, you played this hand really well if you have aces." We made eye-contact, he looked sick to his stomach and I almost called right there. I turned to the dealer and said "We can run it twice here right, you guys let us run it twice?" I knew full-well what the answer was, but again I was trying to pry villain for information. Villain then blurts "I never run it twice, that's my policy." Now when he does this I know for sure he's trying to deter me from calling so his hand is weak, if he had a big hand and wanted action he would keep his mouth shut and just say he doesn't run it twice AFTER I CALL.

Like Van said though he was definately out to get me from the other day and I knew this coming into the game. I had just sat in this session and this was literally the 5th or 6th hand I had been dealt so I know Villian's ego was still burning inside from the hand we played where I called him with bottom pair. Sure didn't take long for him to go crazy. lol

FTR, the term Soul-Reading is dumb and misleading because it puts a magical/supernatural connotation to the art of reading people. Teddy and I talked about this at the table that day, it's all about body language. Certain players give away a lot of info just in their mannerisms, speech and overall body language because they haven't been socialized yet and have spent very few hours at the table. I find that internet kids who've been behind a computer their whole lives and have just decided to play live are some of the easiest players to read.

Is this the OMGHotSprings(z) who was grinding 1/2 & 2/4 on UB then hit the Bad Beat Jackpot?

Yes.

in my experience, when someone smooth calls a 3-bet than 5-bets all-in it's usually QQ or AK

I never post in HSNL but LOL at "You wanna see both hands?"

Delecto,

Snap-asking to see both hands, regardless of how much u hate him, is v bad manners. I am thoroughly happy he scooped.

First off I don't know where you got that I hate the guy, i don't at all. Secondly it's not as bad as Primo makes it sounds (infact his whole results post is storytelling hogwash). But you're right though this was bad etiquitte on my part. I guess I got a little caught up in the moment and realized I wouldn't be able to see his hole cards since I had already exposed mine. My instinct is to show the other player my hand if we're allin and i'm sure to have him beat regardless if villain called or not(reverse slow-roll). In this situation since I called him and wanted to see his hand I should have just waited for a showdown at the river. Yea I sorta got what I deserved, but my intentions were good when I insta revealed my cards when the K hit.

he has q8s+, pretty standard for omg

LOL

I mean don't get me wrong, he actually sounds like a good guy in the chat. Winning 90k on a BBJ and his roomate winning the 10k wcoop on stars must be nice but in terms of poker the guy does not get it and I don't think he ever will.

hahaa.. lol live call 330bb deep with 10/8s.... makes me wanna live in vegas

dude this hand is a 60/40.

When you are playing live poker and want a fold and are up against a live pro (or any player who plays predominantly live for that matter), never talk during a hand. As silly as this sounds, they will infer it as weakness and call every time. Ive learned this the hard way and no it doesnt matter, how you believable your line is or anything else, you talk during a hand=they call you.

this

god this

i did not know about his roommate though, damn.

Disagree, since you are very ****ed if you get called. Also reminds me of the 5-bet bluff RBK made against a tight, solid player who folded KK face up, but he was the aggressor the entire time that hand, whereas the button here flats the initial 3-bet.

Really? My live reads are pretty much the opposite. I'm way more likely to make a big laydown if someone's chattering on since they're usually more scared to give something away when they're bluffing.

You are probably not able to remain convincingly natural when talking. However, if you're right and I'm wrong, this is excellent news, since you now never have to do anything to win except wait for the nuts, shove, and start talking amirite?

when he played OMGhotspringz was one of the worst regulars on ub

Yeah, I don't agree with this. Depends of course on what you say and how you say it, but generally the more someone talks after making a bet, the more I'm gonna think they have a hand and are relaxed.

Of course, that's always depending on how much you've correlated the player's behavior with a certain situation. If you've got a guy that always talks when he's nervous, that's a different story. Or if you've got a guy who always talks either way, that's another story. But in my experience, most amateur players tend to talk more the more relaxed they are.

But this hand points out some of the things a player can say (and how they can say them) that will make a player like Delecto suspicious. In this case, Delecto induced the verbal "tells" (if you want to call them that); it's not as if OMG was talking on his own (that I remember).

it's quite rude to ask to see a hand.

i also loled at this whole thing.

live poker.

yo pleas define flatbarreling for all of us. my guess is that he cold called then went HAM and said arrr in. but plz explain

It's an old joke at Teddy Monroe's expense, Teddy was trying to sound smart and knowing the poker terms "flatting" and "barrelling" lead to him referring to pretty much anything in poker or life as "flatbarrelling"

i.e. "I called on the flop and flatbarrelled 'em on the turn and river" or "yo we at the spearmint rhino flatbarrelling bitches left and right"

lol thanks