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Old 03-01-2012, 10:09 PM   #91
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Re: Erick Lindgren Owes >$100k for 2p2 Fantasy Drafts, Won't Pay, Claims "Cash Broke"

so is Erica single?
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:19 PM   #92
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ahaha was trying to think of similar joke but you win wp
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:34 PM   #93
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I played 10/20 PLO with him last week at the Commerce. He bought in for around 2k.
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:36 PM   #94
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Re: Erick Lindgren Owes >$100k for 2p2 Fantasy Drafts, Won't Pay, Claims "Cash Broke"

Is there ever an unwritten rule about vig after a certain amount of time in the prop bet world?
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:37 PM   #95
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Re: Erick Lindgren Owes >$100k for 2p2 Fantasy Drafts, Won't Pay, Claims "Cash Broke"

Terribly disappointing, to say the least. Are people hammering Erik about this on Twitter yet? They should.
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:42 PM   #96
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Re: Erick Lindgren Owes >$100k for 2p2 Fantasy Drafts, Won't Pay, Claims "Cash Broke"

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Wow this is pretty disappointing and frankly kind of shopping. I have always been a huge fan of Lindgren's game and his attitude and demeanor at the table. He seemed like an straight up honest good dude, not too mention I thought I had heard rumors of him have heaps of $$$ and backing a decent amount of the live pros??

I guess they really are all LOLlivepros
I for one was shopped to see Eric do such a thing
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:06 PM   #97
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Re: Erick Lindgren Owes >$100k for 2p2 Fantasy Drafts, Won't Pay, Claims "Cash Broke"

Wow, I am extremely naive. I knew a lot of high stakes "pros" have had financial problems because of their degenerate lifestyles.. but Lindgren? If there was one "big name" pro that I would have picked out to be a standup, trustworthy guy it's him. I understand fantasy leagues are sometimes shaky and it takes people a while to pay, but that convo and just the "cash broke" thing baffles me. If I'm Erick Lindgren and I don't have mad $$$ in the bank I would feel like the biggest degenerate in the world... this dude has made sooo much cash.
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:16 PM   #98
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Just heard from a friend that one of his friends had the same experience 3 or 4 years ago and took a lot longer than it should have to get paid.
This whole full tilt debacle/erick losing a big chunk of his money printing machine could mean that delayed debts become unpaid debts though. Sucks to hear, obviously really scummy
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:43 PM   #99
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Im guessing Negranu probly is still friends and cool with him 2 just like with ivey. His rants are pretty biased...
Thats what makes Daniel Negreanu rants so hypocrytical.

Yes he is often right, but his buds have all been silent or have pulled shady ****.

Is he calling them out?

Is he ****.
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:30 AM   #100
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Re: Erick Lindgren Owes >$100k for 2p2 Fantasy Drafts, Won't Pay, Claims "Cash Broke"

Looks like he is going to play Bay 101 according to this list http://shootingstar.bay101.com/Shoot...1BPlayers.aspx
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:39 AM   #101
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Re: Erick Lindgren Owes >$100k for 2p2 Fantasy Drafts, Won't Pay, Claims "Cash Broke"

Let me clear up a few items and misconceptions here.

First off, Lindgren is a huge degenerate. He's an Ivey type who doesn't feel satisfied with life unless he has every last dime in action some way. The prop bets you read about are just the tip of the iceberg with him. He's not necessarily a bad person or a scammer, but is just a sick gambler and is terrible with money.

Also similar to Ivey, Lindgren was getting by thanks to his high monthly distribution from Full Tilt. He wasn't getting Ivey/Lederer money, but he was getting a lot - I think something around $250k per month.

Despite this amazing income of around $3 million per year, Lindgren was always cash poor and struggled to pay his gambling debts. This has gone on for years.

I had a close personal friend who was owed 5 figures by Lindren about 4 years ago. Like the posters in this thread, it was from a high stakes fantasy league. The stories I'm reading here are all too familiar. The ignoring of messages. The false promises. The lack of urgency. The stalling. The eventual indignant attitude when you call him out. Everything you see happening now has occurred with him before.

So how does he keep getting fantasy action?

Because he's a fantasy donk. Much of this comes from his neglect of his fantasy teams. Everyone loves playing with him because it's like free money; if you can collect, that is!

After the terrible hassle my friend had with him, Lindgren finally paid up about 9 months late (after tons of broken promises and a lot of attitude.) I said to my friend, "Well, thank goodness that nightmare is over! You've obviously learned your lesson about playing in fantasy leagues with Erick Lindgren!"

Shockingly, my friend replied, "Oh no, I'll play with him again. It's free money. He always pays. You just have to be patient and lean on him for awhile."

People in this thread asked why people didn't get Lindgren to pay up front, and escrow the money with a trusted third party. It doesn't work that way. Just like poker, the huge fish often sets the rules of the game. If you tell Lindgren he has to pay up front to play in your fantasy league, he simply won't play. Your choice is to either play under his terms and hope you eventually get paid, or pass up his dead fantasy money. Most people chose the former.

Of course, now the Full Tilt gravy train has been derailed. This greatly changes things. Prior to April, 2011, Erick would (and did) pay his debts, provided you aggressively (but not TOO aggressively) prodded him. All it took was him having a good gambling month, and with $250k rolling in every 30 days, he had a lot of shots to run up the money. Now Erick is broke and has no income. He won't have any income. I think you can probably kiss any money he owes you goodbye, unless he binks a big tournament.

For those wondering how he can play the LAPC Main Event or semi-high-stakes NL cash games, it's most likely not his money. Erick is still both a good poker player and an A-list poker name. I'm sure he has no problem getting staked.

Even if he's not staked (which I believe he is), if he's down to his last, say, 50k, but owes $1 million combined to various people, he can't give you his last 50k. I mean, he can, but he won't. He sees that case money as his ammo to get himself out of the hole. I can totally feel for you guys being pissed when you see him entering $10k events while owing you $2800 and dodging you for months. Unfortunately, he probably owes 20 other guys the same $2800, plus many others a lot more, and you are no one special. You don't deserve to get paid ahead of anyone else.

With all of that said, while I'm sure some people were misled about Lindgren's financial status, a lot of the people crying foul knew very well what they were dealing with. They let Lindgren play fantasy on credit because he sucked at it, knowing full well that getting him to pay might be tough. You took a calculated risk and lost. This doesn't excuse Erick's actions, but most people in his fantasy leagues knew exactly what they were signing up for. The ones I truly feel sorry for are the ones who honestly didn't know, and thought Lindgren was solid as the Rock of Gibraltar.

The big Full Tilt distributions really ruined some people. Lindgren and Ivey are the first ones that come to mind. They developed some terrible gambling and money management habits, figuring that large sums of money would continue rolling in forever. Now theyr'e like addicts suffering from major withdrawal.
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:41 AM   #102
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Re: Erick Lindgren Owes >$100k for 2p2 Fantasy Drafts, Won't Pay, Claims "Cash Broke"

And yeah, Daniel is a hypocrite to some degree.

Props to him for calling out the scumbags like Annie Duke and Howard Lederer.

However, he definitely tends to give a free pass to those that he personally likes.

I still think Negreanu's outspokenness is a positive for poker, even if he's not even with his criticism. Until the big names step forward and call the shady pieces of garbage out on the carpet, they will keep getting away with more thefts and more fraud.
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:05 AM   #103
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Re: Erick Lindgren Owes >$100k for 2p2 Fantasy Drafts, Won't Pay, Claims "Cash Broke"

For those that know him. Will this thread make him address his debts any quicker or will it piss him off and give him an excuse to take longer to pay?

Or is he too big time to even acknowledge the existence of this thread?
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:07 AM   #104
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Isn't there some report out there that says Lindgren owes money to FTP also?
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:45 AM   #105
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Re: Erick Lindgren Owes >$100k for 2p2 Fantasy Drafts, Won't Pay, Claims "Cash Broke"

Guys, hire a lawyer!
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