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06-28-2014 , 08:08 PM
how is it fair that u, ur buddy and wcgrider should get to keep the lions share of the cashout, while the other players u brought into the site are gettin fked? dat seems bit scummy doesnt it?
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06-28-2014 , 08:39 PM
I want to make my presence known here, as I appreciate the severity of the allegations despite their inaccuracy.

I have not stolen a cent. Pokerone still owes its players a collective balance of 612k. I have gotten in contact with the owner and the owner says that Jay has the money. My contact with Jay says that the owner has the money. I had decided that until my lawyer has advised us as to the correct recourse to take regarding the funds, that I would not be taking part in Jay's harassing text messages to me on a frequent basis. I opened a line of legal communication and he denied that, instead opting to attack me on a public forum.

I am in the midst of a hectic weekend schedule, but I will reply with a longer post in the near future once I am able to do so and have been advised as to what is in the best interest for myself and the group owed.

(It should also be noted that in the scenario where I "keep" the funds, I end up receiving less then ~15% of the noted sum)
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06-28-2014 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JnyC

Can you ask him to make an appearance in this thread so that I can apologize for disturbing his tournament preparations?
Yeah, as soon as I get my player balance I'll make sure to have him contact you.
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06-29-2014 , 12:08 AM

this gone be good
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06-29-2014 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by WCGRider
I want to make my presence known here, as I appreciate the severity of the allegations despite their inaccuracy.

I have not stolen a cent. Pokerone still owes its players a collective balance of 612k. I have gotten in contact with the owner and the owner says that Jay has the money. My contact with Jay says that the owner has the money. I had decided that until my lawyer has advised us as to the correct recourse to take regarding the funds, that I would not be taking part in Jay's harassing text messages to me on a frequent basis. I opened a line of legal communication and he denied that, instead opting to attack me on a public forum.

I am in the midst of a hectic weekend schedule, but I will reply with a longer post in the near future once I am able to do so and have been advised as to what is in the best interest for myself and the group owed.

(It should also be noted that in the scenario where I "keep" the funds, I end up receiving less then ~15% of the noted sum)

You have an interesting definition for harassing text messages. If by harassing you mean asking you to repay me or attempting to work things out with you in a cordial manner only to have you tell me you're busy having dinner, planning a party at edc, or whatever else it is you do to avoid returning the money you have "not stolen" for 6 months, then yeah I suppose that would qualify as harassment.

How about you send Blewjob his portion of the wire you received as agreed upon prior to the wire being sent to you? Then you can sit around all day and wait for another 6 months on your legal representative to give you some advice.

Do you not like being attacked on a public forum? Don't steal. I've given you every single opportunity and every single option of handling this privately in a fair manner. You chose to try and strong arm me to contact your attorney for whatever reason. I have tried my best to be patient with you.

Return the money you have stolen or articulate as to why exactly you believe that you are entitled to do as you please with funds that were intended as payment for someone else, which you agreed to receive and then distribute. Or why you believe you are entitled to keep your 70k portion of the wire but distribute BJ's 50k?
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06-29-2014 , 01:20 AM
ITT people who played on a site that they knew had money problems don't get paid.

shocking
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06-29-2014 , 02:22 AM
How much of the 612k was won? Are players actually taking a loss? Or is this one of those spots where you played on a shady site that gave out a lot of credit and you won a ton from degenerates who never actually had the money?
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06-29-2014 , 03:32 AM
Take this to NVG for a swift and fair resolution. The masses are not biased in any way towards the likes of WCGRider, fees and klink10k(Last one not sure if involved but since its WCG's playerbooth i guess its likely). Anyway, a fair democratic trial is to be expected.
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06-29-2014 , 05:19 AM
WCGRider's lawyer gets 2p2 to change the thread title.
WCGRider's PR person posts a slick statement in his name.

round 1 to Doug.
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06-29-2014 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by krmont22
How much of the 612k was won? Are players actually taking a loss? Or is this one of those spots where you played on a shady site that gave out a lot of credit and you won a ton from degenerates who never actually had the money?
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06-29-2014 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by WCGRider
I want to make my presence known here, as I appreciate the severity of the allegations despite their inaccuracy.

I have not stolen a cent. Pokerone still owes its players a collective balance of 612k. I have gotten in contact with the owner and the owner says that Jay has the money. My contact with Jay says that the owner has the money. I had decided that until my lawyer has advised us as to the correct recourse to take regarding the funds, that I would not be taking part in Jay's harassing text messages to me on a frequent basis. I opened a line of legal communication and he denied that, instead opting to attack me on a public forum.

I am in the midst of a hectic weekend schedule, but I will reply with a longer post in the near future once I am able to do so and have been advised as to what is in the best interest for myself and the group owed.

(It should also be noted that in the scenario where I "keep" the funds, I end up receiving less then ~15% of the noted sum)
I have gotten in contact with the owner and the owner says that Jay has the money.

Doug how where you able to contact the owner?

you also mentioned that if you keep the funds that is less than 15%
so you are saying you are owed over $600k?

Dan
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06-29-2014 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by krmont22
How much of the 612k was won? Are players actually taking a loss? Or is this one of those spots where you played on a shady site that gave out a lot of credit and you won a ton from degenerates who never actually had the money?
All of the $$ owed from P1 is profits / affiliate earnings. I'm personally owed ~140k from PokerOne still that I've written off.
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06-29-2014 , 06:30 PM
sounds complicated. put the money in escrow as a sign of good faith and attempt to work it out?
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06-29-2014 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by cts
sounds complicated. put the money in escrow as a sign of good faith and attempt to work it out?
Not really
he agree to a larger portion of the xfer in return for a distribution of the money that included 50k going to blewjob.
after he spent his end, he decides to stiff him for the 50k?
What's complicated about that?

give the man his money!

Dan
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06-29-2014 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by depechbnkn
Not really
he agree to a larger portion of the xfer in return for a distribution of the money that included 50k going to blewjob.
after he spent his end, he decides to stiff him for the 50k?
What's complicated about that?

give the man his money!

Dan
i don't know anyone involved and hadn't/haven't heard anything about this other than this thread... still sounds complicated to me about where the money is coming from, how it was allocated this way, etc. maybe i'm just dense!
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06-29-2014 , 07:43 PM
JnyC recruits Doug and his stable to play on PokerOne. Doug and his stable win and are owed over $600K and attempts to get it off. Doug is informed by the recruiter that the $600K is not available BUT $148K is available and if he agrees to to send out roughly half of this 148K to other people, he can keep (lol) 70K of the $612K he's owed. - Do you understand how shady this sounds? There are numerous red flags...

Meanwhile, Doug receives the wire but is then informed that the recruiter in fact IS IN POSSESSION of the rest of the funds owed. Even if this is totally false, the fact that Doug is being told by someone in management or former management that the recruiter in fact has or had the rest of his money is completely alarming.

Doug has absolutely every right at this point to lawyer up and get **** straight and handled through appropriate channels. JnyC, you gotta be able to see this from his point of view. It's not a hassle and it's definitely not stealing, it's simply protection and an attempt to do the right thing.

This is A LOT of money in the "real" world and you should probably have already gotten your own lawyer given the fact that you are reported to be in possession of a much larger amount of funds that are owed to Doug AND you have decided to publicly announce your grievance with Doug.
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06-29-2014 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus
JnyC recruits Doug and his stable to play on PokerOne. Doug and his stable win and are owed over $600K and attempts to get it off. Doug is informed by the recruiter that the $600K is not available BUT $148K is available and if he agrees to to send out roughly half of this 148K to other people, he can keep (lol) 70K of the $612K he's owed. - Do you understand how shady this sounds? There are numerous red flags...
JNYC did recruit Doug to play on Poker One, but the 612k owed is not only Doug's. The 612k figure comes from all parties balances on Poker One added up. Doug personally accounts for approx 15% of the 612k as he mentioned earlier.
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06-29-2014 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cts
i don't know anyone involved and hadn't/haven't heard anything about this other than this thread... still sounds complicated to me about where the money is coming from, how it was allocated this way, etc. maybe i'm just dense!
yes, you are dense, and immoral. id rather have that fat ugly old guy, what's his name, viper, or something like that, arbitrate than you.

and the idea to put it into an escrow is dumb. it's not like he is hiding anywhere. he has the money, and has a lawyer, and hes trying to distribute the money fairly not run off with it.
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06-29-2014 , 09:28 PM
15% for himself or including his stable?
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06-29-2014 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by peteballsack
yes, you are dense, and immoral. id rather have that fat ugly old guy, what's his name, viper, or something like that, arbitrate than you.

and the idea to put it into an escrow is dumb. it's not like he is hiding anywhere. he has the money, and has a lawyer, and hes trying to distribute the money fairly not run off with it.
ahahahahaha calling CTS immoral, dense and dumb.
you nailed the trifecta!

seriously why do we even have HSNL mods?
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06-30-2014 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus
JnyC recruits Doug and his stable to play on PokerOne. Doug and his stable win and are owed over $600K and attempts to get it off. Doug is informed by the recruiter that the $600K is not available BUT $148K is available and if he agrees to to send out roughly half of this 148K to other people, he can keep (lol) 70K of the $612K he's owed. - Do you understand how shady this sounds? There are numerous red flags...

Meanwhile, Doug receives the wire but is then informed that the recruiter in fact IS IN POSSESSION of the rest of the funds owed. Even if this is totally false, the fact that Doug is being told by someone in management or former management that the recruiter in fact has or had the rest of his money is completely alarming.

Doug has absolutely every right at this point to lawyer up and get **** straight and handled through appropriate channels. JnyC, you gotta be able to see this from his point of view. It's not a hassle and it's definitely not stealing, it's simply protection and an attempt to do the right thing.

This is A LOT of money in the "real" world and you should probably have already gotten your own lawyer given the fact that you are reported to be in possession of a much larger amount of funds that are owed to Doug AND you have decided to publicly announce your grievance with Doug.

Meanwhile, Doug receives the wire but is then informed that the recruiter in fact IS IN POSSESSION of the rest of the funds owed.


LMAO
doug was told nothing of the sort by merge management
he was told this by the scummy owner of pokerone lol
ask doug please who gave him this scumbag's contact info?
how come he wouldn't answer that question?

take a wild guess... drumroll please .... JAY gave him all the contact info for the owner of PokerOne and told him to go see him with hopes of them getting paid.
Jay is reported to be in possession of this money..
this is beyond hilarious...
yes the owner paid Jay then Jay gave Doug his address and sent Doug back to him. LMAO
Does this look ridiculous to anyone but me?
The scumbag owner told Doug this when pressed for the money; What did you think he would say?

A six figure portion of this money is actually still owed to Jay!

Doug and his stable are not owed 612K this is a falsehood.
Jay also took zero % of this wire for himself even when he was owed a significant amount.
He went above and beyond trying to collect as much as he could of the owed amount.

Why has Doug decided to "redistribute" BJ's 50k and not his own 70k?
Why is he touching this money at all?
Send BJ his 50k and move on.

Dan

Last edited by depechbnkn; 06-30-2014 at 12:22 AM.
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06-30-2014 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by cts
i don't know anyone involved and hadn't/haven't heard anything about this other than this thread... still sounds complicated to me about where the money is coming from, how it was allocated this way, etc. maybe i'm just dense!
I am also confused by the way all of this went down. The more complicated someone makes a transaction the more suspicious I get.

#1 - Why does an "assistant" not have "access" to an account in his name in HK? Why did the "assistant" have money in his name that likely was Pokerone's money? How did he then "gain access"? “Gaining access” sounds fishy to me and if I were Doug I would be concerned about the way in which those funds were wired to me in my name and what potential liability I might face if that were not a legitimate transaction. If it is PokerOne $$ then I would think that money legitimately belongs to all players owed money, not to be divided up in some arbitrary way by someone gaining “access” to an account.

#2 – Pokerone wired money to Doug. This money had to come from Doug’s account at Pokerone, right? What it looks like to me is in exchange for getting some of the money in Doug’s account released you wanted $50K of it to settle a debt owed to you. I’m sure anyone in Pokerone with a balance would have loved to see their money too, how were you able to get Doug a wire when others couldn’t?

#3 – Courts are used to handle disputes; does OP have any sort of text messages or emails that outline the agreement for the money? That is your only recourse, trying to shame someone on a public forum doesn’t sound like a winning strat to me. The first step in any business dispute is to write a demand letter. Simply outline your case for money owed and send it to Doug and / or his lawyer. But something tells me the complete details of this deal reviewed by experienced eyes may be problematic.
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06-30-2014 , 05:54 AM
dougs explanation actually sounds pretty legit :O
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06-30-2014 , 06:29 AM
This is Jason Mo on fee's account since i got my account banned.

Independent of what Doug said, in my interactions with Jay, I always assumed he was the owner or at least part owner of the site. I have skype logs to verify all this, but he says stuff like "we run a tight operation" and I did all my deposits and cash outs through him. It was a bit before my time but the reason I trusted Jay is he was a high stakes reg (or was) and vouched for by a lot of the HU community.

After Pokerone "went down", which I still don't understand fully, I ended up chip dumping a few of my balances, but the whole time I assumed that it was Jay's responsibility in terms of vouching for the site and money.

As far as I am concerned, Jay owes Doug (and me + a few others) money and not the other way around. He is attempting to proxy the blame on a 3rd party, and the $50k or whatever that was "stolen" just means Jay owes slightly less of a much more massive debt. Jay was actively profiting a ton of money from having us play on his site, and as our top contact at that site, is liable for the money.

This, coupled with the fact that the owner of the site says that he paid out Jay's players to Jay (we were under Jay), it's absurd that Jay expects money back and refuses to talk to Doug's lawyer at this point.
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06-30-2014 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by fees
This is Jason Mo on fee's account since i got my account banned.

Independent of what Doug said, in my interactions with Jay, I always assumed he was the owner or at least part owner of the site. I have skype logs to verify all this, but he says stuff like "we run a tight operation" and I did all my deposits and cash outs through him. It was a bit before my time but the reason I trusted Jay is he was a high stakes reg (or was) and vouched for by a lot of the HU community.

After Pokerone "went down", which I still don't understand fully, I ended up chip dumping a few of my balances, but the whole time I assumed that it was Jay's responsibility in terms of vouching for the site and money.

As far as I am concerned, Jay owes Doug (and me + a few others) money and not the other way around. He is attempting to proxy the blame on a 3rd party, and the $50k or whatever that was "stolen" just means Jay owes slightly less of a much more massive debt. Jay was actively profiting a ton of money from having us play on his site, and as our top contact at that site, is liable for the money.

This, coupled with the fact that the owner of the site says that he paid out Jay's players to Jay (we were under Jay), it's absurd that Jay expects money back and refuses to talk to Doug's lawyer at this point.
why use fees account why not just open another new account to reply?
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