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Originally Posted by ALAEI
The points that you guys seem to continue to miss is the fact that nobody (that I am aware of) paid off the side bets once black friday went down (Just as I couldn't have collected had durrrr been winning). Because of that, I feel like now regardless of who is winning, I am in sort of a freerolled situation as I can not be sure that 3 years later the people I bet with would still be around to honor the bet had they been losing. People can always afford to win a bet but not always afford to lose a bet, especially once so much time has elapsed. Please stop with the escrow non sense. Sure we could have done that, and had we done that, we would have all taken our money back a long time ago, probably with some settlement to this whole issue, but we didn't do that so it's pointless to bring up. The fact is there can't be an infinite time pause button on a bet. What is the cut off time? 3 years, 5 years, 10 years? In any case, I am not trying to welch on a bet by any means. I believe I owe something for crossbook action on hands already played. I do not feel I have any obligation to future hands and outcome bets are seriously up for debate in my opinion. I have been in contact with the people I have bets with and will continue to discuss this with them privately.
Viffer clearly is not going to change his mind here so I'm not going to bother dismantling his arguments (as so many others have). But this argument from ALAEI is really absurd.
You're complaining about the possibility of getting freerolled, but basically are trying to give yourself an angle to freeroll every single bet you ever make by saying "oh, well too much time has passed, I'm not sure the other guy is going to be able to pay me, so I'll just call the bet a push". You must see how ridiculous that is. The other party's financial position changing is always a risk, especially if you are betting against poker players. If that risk bothers you, set a timeframe on the bet from the beginning and say "we're betting on the outcome of the challenge, assuming that it finishes within 12 months". Otherwise you just really can't come in now, when it finally appears Jungleman and Durrrr may finally work out a plan to finish this thing up, and try to play this card of "I'm concerned it's been too long and I might not get paid so I'm not going to pay my debts if I lose".
To your point about "what is the cut off time?" -- EXACTLY! Unless you specified a cut off time when you made the bet, there is none. The cutoff is 50K hands, which if they hit at some point, concludes the bet. If you and I bet on who will win their next major sooner, Tiger or Rory, do I get to call you up 5 years from now on Masters Sunday when Rory is going in with a 9 shot lead and say "hey man, it's been a long time and I'm just not sure if I'm getting freerolled here, so the bet is a push"? No f'in way. And as many have stated, the driving force behind this taking years to complete has always been Tom, not Dan. Unless you worked something else out, all side bets should be on and all crossbooking should continue on the remaining hands of the challenge.
Note: I have no money riding on this, and consider myself much more of a Durrrr fan than a Jungleman fan, but durrrr's behavior during this challenge and the arguments made by a few bettors who took his side have been completely insane and I wanted to chime in.