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09-11-2013 , 07:35 PM
Just for the record, I have settled or talked to everyone i have bets with. The only person who i havent settled or come to an agreement with is Jungleman. I made him a fair offer he declined. He told me he was going to send me to 2+2 prison so here we are!!!!!
09-11-2013 , 07:58 PM
Would you mind sharing what a fair offer is? How many cents on the dollar?
09-11-2013 , 07:59 PM
You've talked to me huh? You offered me a deal? I tried to negotiate with you multiple times, but you declined.

Check the dates. Texted him after this also, before he posted

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09-11-2013 , 08:18 PM
Viffer: You have both lied multiple times ITT and have been legitimately flat out incorrect multiple times ITT. Stop pretending like you are infallible. Furthermore, you don't seem to understand, ALL BETS WERE IMPLICITLY MADE ON TOM AND DAN'S TERMS. If you bet on an NFL game, the NFL determines the winner. If the refs make a terrible call, you have no recourse. If you bet on a side bet between Tom and Dan, then Tom and Dan determine the winner. Your sports book argument is invalid. Furthermore, any reputable book would clearly state cancellation terms. If you didn't clearly state anything, then you have to go by Tom and Dan's terms. End of story.

Danny: This isn't a rain delay. This challenge could have been finished years ago. Most people ITT believe Tom is the reason why it hasn't finished, and you haven't given a good argument as to why that's not true. If you want to have any ground to stand on, you need to argue that Tom is not responsible for the delay. Given that the delay started long before Black Friday, stop using Black Friday as your only argument.

Why are you guys trying to play the rain delay card when hands are going to be played soon? You clearly should have done this when the terrible FTP news came out. That's the time to talk to the people you have bets with, not now. Bringing these issues up now makes you look really bad.
09-11-2013 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ansky
Let's notice btw there are exactly 2 people arguing on toms side here (not even tom himself would take their position imo), and both have heavy bets on Tom.

There are tons of people with no money on this, who are taking the JM side.
This is an important point. On top of this, I think Jungleman is fairly unpopular on this site.
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Jungle-

Try not to handle these discussions as bad as possible. Think about what Scott said to you last time. Don't call people ******s, don't curse at people. Just stop, relax, and post rational statements that make sense. This isn't a school yard fight, we are adults discussing a very high stakes issue (and the stakes are highest for you). Act like an adult.
Yes, seriously. People are actually standing up for you.

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Originally Posted by viffer
Dont make us out to be bad people because we have a vallid position, if we dont or didnt then take my bets? Ill be happy to escrow.
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09-11-2013 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by viffer
Just for the record, I have settled or talked to everyone i have bets with. The only person who i havent settled or come to an agreement with is Jungleman. I made him a fair offer he declined. He told me he was going to send me to 2+2 prison so here we are!!!!!
I think it's pretty safe to say you're idea of fair probably doesn't match most of the people ITT's idea of fair given your posts.
09-11-2013 , 11:27 PM
Viffer and Daniel,

How would you feel if your roles were reversed? What if you had big bets on durrrr and jungle was down 25bi+ and avoiding him for months before Black Friday, then after BF when asked about finishing the challenge on another site said he would prefer to wait until FTP came back up, then when FTP came back up he stalled even longer?

You of course still take the same stance right?
09-12-2013 , 12:26 AM
The two live pros trying to angleshoot surprise surprise......
09-12-2013 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
Viffer: You have both lied multiple times ITT and have been legitimately flat out incorrect multiple times ITT. Stop pretending like you are infallible. Furthermore, you don't seem to understand, ALL BETS WERE IMPLICITLY MADE ON TOM AND DAN'S TERMS. If you bet on an NFL game, the NFL determines the winner. If the refs make a terrible call, you have no recourse. If you bet on a side bet between Tom and Dan, then Tom and Dan determine the winner. Your sports book argument is invalid. Furthermore, any reputable book would clearly state cancellation terms. If you didn't clearly state anything, then you have to go by Tom and Dan's terms. End of story.

Danny: This isn't a rain delay. This challenge could have been finished years ago. Most people ITT believe Tom is the reason why it hasn't finished, and you haven't given a good argument as to why that's not true. If you want to have any ground to stand on, you need to argue that Tom is not responsible for the delay. Given that the delay started long before Black Friday, stop using Black Friday as your only argument.

Why are you guys trying to play the rain delay card when hands are going to be played soon? You clearly should have done this when the terrible FTP news came out. That's the time to talk to the people you have bets with, not now. Bringing these issues up now makes you look really bad.

PLease explain why im so wrong, what did i lie about?

If its so invalid can we bet? Take my money please.

I have been put at an unfair advantage by some thing that could never have been seen. You say that im so wrong yet its just your opinion. You have no factual basis for this, just your high moral standards? Your since of fairness?

Its not the rain delay, its the unfair advantage the rain delay caused.

Justin, if you didnt play online for 3 years, or your right to play online was taken away could you come back and play world class poker?

I have said this to jungleman the last two world series, its not like this is some thing new, its just some thing that needs to be brought up now as it looks like thre hands are abpout to get played.


And NO all bet werent made on tom and junglemans terms,

How much did you bet on the side getting 3-1? But alot of other bets were made that also werent the same as dan and toms.

Justin you are biased, and not open minded at all. It must be nice to be prosecuter and judge at same time!

Does one not playing any sport affect there ability to play?










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Viffer and Daniel,

How would you feel if your roles were reversed? What if you had big bets on durrrr and jungle was down 25bi+ and avoiding him for months before Black Friday, then after BF when asked about finishing the challenge on another site said he would prefer to wait until FTP came back up, then when FTP came back up he stalled even longer?

You of course still take the same stance right?
No, I would argue and fight just like they are doing. No one likes to feel like they are getting taken advantage of, it really sucks. Would i be right? IM sure i could argue both sides, anyone could. Im just willing to bet that i am argueing the right side this time.

Should the challenge been finished before Bf, maybe, but it wasnt and we are here.

Does Tom not playing for 3 years or not playing much impact his game? The people who bet on the side are being put at an unfair advantage caused by some thing no one could see coming.

We dont know what would of happened if BF didnt come, but the fact is that it did and it sucks.

Last edited by viffer; 09-12-2013 at 02:58 AM.
09-12-2013 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by viffer
Does Tom not playing for 3 years or not playing much impact his game? The people who bet on the side are being put at an unfair advantage caused by some thing no one could see coming.
You keep repeating this over and over like doing so is going to make it true. You and anyone that bet on Tom were put at an unfair advantage by Tom prioritizing everything else in his life over finishing a challenge he issued to the world and begged jungle to take well before BF.

You're ignoring the single most important fact about the whole challenge, side bets, etc...
09-12-2013 , 03:45 AM
^^^

Viffer, things did not start on Black Friday, so BF can't be your only argument.
09-12-2013 , 03:46 AM
i repeat it because its true,

What tom did or didnt due before black friday doesnt concern me, It is unreasonable to say he should of left his home country to play online poker at a time noone in the poker world had money. You guys say one thing i say another, Lets just bet on whos right?
09-12-2013 , 03:47 AM
Also I tried to take you up on your bet:

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Re: June HSNL ***BET RAISE FOLD: The Story of Online Poker*** thread
As always i will put my money where my mouth is,

20k we goto a sports book in vegas get who ever runs it, explain to them the siuation and im willing to bet they say its a wash,Then ill make a seperate bet and ill take 20-1 they say jungleman owes him the money that hes up due to the fact this was a whole match and due to an act of god it wasnt finished.


Ae? Ike? Justin?

Jungleman ill lay you 1.1 but you have to argue your side your self, funk it ill lay you 2-1!!!
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Re: June HSNL ***BET RAISE FOLD: The Story of Online Poker*** thread
Lol @ being willing to take 20-1.

If you meant lay 20-1, bring the 400k to the Rio tomorrow to post, and you have a bet.

Otherwise just lol.
09-12-2013 , 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
^^^

Viffer, things did not start on Black Friday, so BF can't be your only argument.

If it didnt start before black friday why werent you asking people then what penalties you could impose?


Im so out of line that if i dont lay you 20-1 i should just LOL?
09-12-2013 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by viffer
i repeat it because its true,

What tom did or didnt due before black friday doesnt concern me, It is unreasonable to say he should of left his home country to play online poker at a time noone in the poker world had money. You guys say one thing i say another, Lets just bet on whos right?
It should. Most people think he dodged the bet intentionally. You can't just ignore this fact when you think he ran super bad to have BF happen.
09-12-2013 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by viffer
If it didnt start before black friday why werent you asking people then what penalties you could impose?
Even Tom admitted there should have been penalties. He willingly paid Dan large sums of cash to make up for it. This was before Black Friday.
09-12-2013 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by viffer
Im so out of line that if i dont lay you 20-1 i should just LOL?
Do you really not understand how ridiculous it is to say, "Sure, I'll put my money where my mouth is. Just give me 20-1 odds"?
09-12-2013 , 04:11 AM
I love how zeejustin outlines the argument perfectly and viffer completely ignores the fact that durrrr was dodging months before BF.
09-12-2013 , 04:21 AM
I like how viffer told me we had action shortly before posting in this thread, and somehow there is some kind of discussion. Then ignores my texts in the meantime. (See the screenshot)
09-12-2013 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by viffer
i repeat it because its true,

What tom did or didnt due before black friday doesnt concern me,
lol...just lol

So Tom can issue a challenge to the world that requires 50k hands to be played to finish said challenge with a large side bet on it. Then anytime he gets down a decent amount early on and it starts to become clear he actually isn't a favorite despite the fact he is laying the other guy odds he can just dodge him repeatedly until enough time has passed in your mind to make all bets null and void?

Is this your argument bc this is exactly what Tom was doing before BF and this is exactly what he's been doing since. He has been playing nose bleeds on FTP to the tune of 50k+ hands since FTP has returned but probably only 2% of those have been vs jungle and counted towards the challenge. Again....lolololol


You picked the wrong side, live with it and honor your bets like a man rather than trying to find some loophole to get out of a bet bc you picked the wrong side, esp when the side you picked is about 99% to blame for the challenge not being finished before BF.
09-12-2013 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Two SHAE
I love how zeejustin outlines the argument perfectly and viffer completely ignores the fact that durrrr was dodging months before BF.
If durr was dodging months before why werent actions taken then?

If black friday didnt happen woould this have taken so long to resolve or come to light?
09-12-2013 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by viffer
If durr was dodging months before why werent actions taken then?

If black friday didnt happen woould this have taken so long to resolve or come to light?
Learn to read.

There were actions taken. Durrrr payed Dan large sums of cash to make up for it.
09-12-2013 , 04:43 AM
Post 1 by Kevmath of the now 5,000 post long challenge thread:

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08-26-2010, 05:20 PM
*** Durrrr Challenge: Stage II; Daniel "Jungleman12" Cates - IN RUNNING THREAD ***
This one shouldn't take 18+ months to complete.

It's been announced that the challenge should start sometime today.


http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/poker-f...rrrr-challenge
lol
09-12-2013 , 05:31 AM
What should the betting line be for the wcg vs sauce match? Thx.
09-12-2013 , 06:53 AM
viffer have you addressed the fact since black friday durrrr has spent months out of the country playing the macau live games? given than he issued the challenge getting it completed should have been his priority. Durrrr made the decision to prioritize the macau live games which cost him some money (by paying jungleman) if black friday never happened what makes you think the challenge would have finished by now? durrrr would have still been flying to and from macau for weeks at a time and avoiding the challenge ($/hr was greater in live games as he addressed on 2p2 a while back) just like he was doing pre BF.

not bothered who wins or the outcome of the challenge as i have no money on the line

      
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