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tultfill 09-04-2013 08:16 AM

Discussion of Durrrr challenge thread (former September **** thread)
 
Really hoping WCG/Sauce will notify before going at it. I can't wait.

WCGRider 09-04-2013 08:30 PM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
before i read the OP i thought I was the man and sauce was the machine

jungleman 09-04-2013 10:22 PM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Regarding the Durrrr Challenge, I am trying to resolve this with Durrrr privately and mediators of the challenge. Obviously now it seems we should create specific rules for how it is run. I would like to make it clear that I have been willing to play for the entirety of August. Will see if I can get something definitive soon...

So far, trying to get durrrr to get to specific rules. He seems to be kind of ignoring my attempts... Ill keep trying to talk/get the mediators on it

klink10k 09-04-2013 11:12 PM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
anyone want to wager $ on sauce vs. wcg pm me.

LucidDream 09-04-2013 11:50 PM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jungleman (Post 40019208)
Regarding the Durrrr Challenge, I am trying to resolve this with Durrrr privately and mediators of the challenge. Obviously now it seems we should create specific rules for how it is run. I would like to make it clear that I have been willing to play for the entirety of August. Will see if I can get something definitive soon...

So far, trying to get durrrr to get to specific rules. He seems to be kind of ignoring my attempts... Ill keep trying to talk/get the mediators on it


Obv you would like to see the whole 50k hands get played out but at some point shouldn't durrrr's lack of regard for a challenge he offered to the world result in the forfeiture of the 1.5m sidebet that was made along w/ the challenge as a whole? His only incentive to play at this point would seem to be to maintain his reputation.

You guys agreed to play 4k hands/month starting in Aug and 0 were played...those are already specific rules and he has already ignored them at this point. Specifying any additional rules seems like an exercise in futility at this point if they don't involve a forfeiture of the sidebet.

callingking 09-05-2013 01:18 AM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Durrrr have no respect for the challenge or promised he have made.

In my opinion the mediators should give him some strict rules to follow this year or he have to forfeit the sidebet.

PartyGirlUK 09-05-2013 01:19 AM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Has anyone seen Durrrr walking around Macau wearing a 'Take the Test' T-shirt?

SlowHabit 09-05-2013 01:45 AM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WCGRider (Post 40018011)
before i read the OP i thought I was the man and sauce was the machine

Haha. If you crush Sauce, you can become The Regicide.

I won't have any action in the HU challenge so best of luck to both of you.

viffer 09-05-2013 07:59 AM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jungleman (Post 40019208)
Regarding the Durrrr Challenge, I am trying to resolve this with Durrrr privately and mediators of the challenge. Obviously now it seems we should create specific rules for how it is run. I would like to make it clear that I have been willing to play for the entirety of August. Will see if I can get something definitive soon...

So far, trying to get durrrr to get to specific rules. He seems to be kind of ignoring my attempts... Ill keep trying to talk/get the mediators on it


Would you finish the challenge live?

Do you think that since the federal goverment took away his right to play in the usa he should have some time get back to his top form of playing hu?


Do you understand what an act of god is?

kabyz 09-05-2013 08:24 AM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowHabit (Post 40021127)
The Regicide.

such a cool nick. 2+2 should throw an undertitle in to sweeten up the sidebet :p

sharpyetblunt 09-05-2013 10:53 AM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by viffer (Post 40022663)
Would you finish the challenge live?

Do you think that since the federal goverment took away his right to play in the usa he should have some time get back to his top form of playing hu?


Do you understand what an act of god is?

Lol. Would Jungleman want to change from the specified format he agreed to place a bet on? No.

Its durrrs fault he chose to get rusty at online HU knowing full well he had to complete this bet. Dont see why Jungleman should be punished for that.

Deldar182 09-05-2013 11:09 AM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Lets be real here, Jungleman stands to win well over 1.5 million on top of what he's already won if the challenge actually gets played out

Lefort 09-05-2013 11:15 AM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WCGRider (Post 40018011)
before i read the OP i thought I was the man and sauce was the machine

I feel like thats actually a decent description of how you both play haha.. w/o it necessarily being a compliment/neg to either of you.

kjemmy 09-05-2013 01:57 PM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by viffer (Post 40022663)
Would you finish the challenge live?
Why would he want to play 30k~ hands of hunl LIVE when the challenge was issued by Dwan to play him online?

Do you think that since the federal goverment took away his right to play in the usa he should have some time get back to his top form of playing hu?
Daniel is American too.

stop posting

ZeeJustin 09-05-2013 03:53 PM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Would be interested in hearing suggestions on what kind of penalties could work for this.

What can be done besides a financial penalty? Say 1 buyin a month where the goal isn't met? Is that what needs to be done, or are there other options?

kittenmittens 09-05-2013 04:27 PM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
ZJ, there are no other options but at the very minimum Durrrr owes a pretty large favor to jungle. So much side money bet on this match and a lot of people are at risk of losing high %'s of net worth if this is completed and while that is unfair to people who bet on Jungle's side, I think we're in a point in time where the stalling should be forgiven. There's a lot of speculating of why Durrrr isn't playing, but frankly I think everyone should just wait for Durrrr to accumulate money playing huge games. There was multiple catastrophic events that got it to this point. I think leniency for Durrrr is due. I'm assuming he's working very hard on accumulating money and he gets spots that not many other people can touch.

Ansky 09-05-2013 07:59 PM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by viffer (Post 40022663)
Would you finish the challenge live?

Do you think that since the federal goverment took away his right to play in the usa he should have some time get back to his top form of playing hu?


Do you understand what an act of god is?

Are you serious with this nonsense? Tom is a sponsored pro of an online poker site.

Deldar182 09-05-2013 08:01 PM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kittenmittens (Post 40028665)
ZJ, there are no other options but at the very minimum Durrrr owes a pretty large favor to jungle. So much side money bet on this match and a lot of people are at risk of losing high %'s of net worth if this is completed and while that is unfair to people who bet on Jungle's side, I think we're in a point in time where the stalling should be forgiven. There's a lot of speculating of why Durrrr isn't playing, but frankly I think everyone should just wait for Durrrr to accumulate money playing huge games. There was multiple catastrophic events that got it to this point. I think leniency for Durrrr is due. I'm assuming he's working very hard on accumulating money and he gets spots that not many other people can touch.

So when won't this be the case?

As is the case for any bet, the longer you avoid it the better chance you have of not having to own up for it. Is it really fair to let it drag on for even longer?

blopp 09-05-2013 08:43 PM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by viffer (Post 40022663)
Would you finish the challenge live?

Do you think that since the federal goverment took away his right to play in the usa he should have some time get back to his top form of playing hu?


Do you understand what an act of god is?

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjemmy (Post 40026613)
stop posting

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ansky (Post 40031851)
Are you serious with this nonsense? Tom is a sponsored pro of an online poker site.

Agreed with Kjemmy and Ansky. Jungleman is as american as Durrr and flying somewhere to play internet poker is not harder then flying somewhere to play live.

If the sidebet was actually hold by the escrow as it was supposed to be (I think in the end it was not) there would be much more motivation to finish this challenge.


Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeeJustin (Post 40028181)
Would be interested in hearing suggestions on what kind of penalties could work for this.

What can be done besides a financial penalty? Say 1 buyin a month where the goal isn't met? Is that what needs to be done, or are there other options?

Financial penalties seems best and most fair.

kittenmittens 09-05-2013 09:19 PM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
@Deldar: When the there are more huge opportunities(and/or future guarantee of similar opportunities) to make as much as Tom expects to make in the big games he's been playing. The landscape for these opportunities is very scarce. It's of my understanding that Tom has offered Jungle pieces and/or freeroll of this action. I believe maximizing this opportunity is priority number 1. At the time of the start of the challenge this opportunity didn't exist?(my beliefs). That being said Tom has the quite conflict on pleasing other people and maximizing his expectation. Sidenote: Tom should not have said he is stalling because Jungle was being a dick about things. lolz.

PartyGirlUK 09-05-2013 09:34 PM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
A good (although not the only relevant) question to ask is 'what would Durrrr do if he were in Jungleman's shoes?'.

What would Durrrr do if he was up 30 buyins after 20k hands, (and up another 20 buyins in pre-challenge play)? Would he happily play one hour a month, not worrying about the awaiting $1.5 million bounty, ignoring the pleas of close friends wanting to cash in their significant wagers?

The structure of the challenges ensures that one person won't have incentives to play, and it's the job of the arbitrators to make sure he does.

Black Friday was an 'act of god' but Full Tilt came back 10 months ago which is plenty of time to have played the 30,000 hands in, rather than what, 2,000? Playing in games where your 'ev is way higher' is reasonable to a point ('sorry Mr. Trump I'd love to play but I have to complete my match with Jungleman'), but the weaker player will by definition always have a higher ev option available to him.

Since it seems that Jungleman is generally free to play and Tom is often busy, here is my suggestion for the moderators. Each month Jungleman lists 20 days that he's willing to play the challenge on. Tom selects 4 of these. They each find a place with a secure and stable internet connection. On the first three days they play for 6 pre-agreed, not necessarily consecutive hours. The fourth day is held back as safety in case of technical problems. Assuming they get 400 hands in per hour, this is 7,200 per month, which will have the challenge completed by the end of the year. Anyone who fails to meet his monthly obligation twice (without a very good reason) forfeits the challenge.

Jungleman agreed to 6 or 8 table which would have the challenge completed even quicker. Or they could just commit to play 6 days a month, and complete the challenge by the end of October! The schedule I suggested is really rather lenient (hey guys play 3 days a month to complete this challenge you started 3 years ago!). They played 6k hands on their first day! 4k hands/month with a 1 buyin fine per missed month is really really weak, at this point you should not allow such a low monthly target (not to mention how vague it is. 'Hey man I was totally willing to play 4k hands it just happened that I was only willing to do so while you were sleeping! Doh!'). A rigid structure with strong disincentives to deviate (two strikes and you're out) and all of a sudden all the reasons for not playing are suddenly less compelling.

A lot of people have side action on this contest. This is all not really fair on them. Liquidity is so vital in poker. I know people who have a bunch tied up in FTP, and are 'up' $50k which they can't claim until the challenges ends, money that would allow them to earn significantly more money. The longer this goes on the more chance someone could die, someone who intended to pay will have cashflow problems etc. The arbitrators should forcefully encourage play. Full disclosure, I don't have any action.

Nice_2_Beat_U 09-06-2013 02:41 AM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK (Post 40033285)
A good (although not the only relevant) question to ask is 'what would Durrrr do if he were in Jungleman's shoes?'.

What would Durrrr do if he was up 30 buyins after 20k hands, (and up another 20 buyins in pre-challenge play)? Would he happily play one hour a month, not worrying about the awaiting $1.5 million bounty, ignoring the pleas of close friends wanting to cash in their significant wagers?

The structure of the challenges ensures that one person won't have incentives to play, and it's the job of the arbitrators to make sure he does.

Black Friday was an 'act of god' but Full Tilt came back 10 months ago which is plenty of time to have played the 30,000 hands in, rather than what, 2,000? Playing in games where your 'ev is way higher' is reasonable to a point ('sorry Mr. Trump I'd love to play but I have to complete my match with Jungleman'), but the weaker player will by definition always have a higher ev option available to him.

Since it seems that Jungleman is generally free to play and Tom is often busy, here is my suggestion for the moderators. Each month Jungleman lists 20 days that he's willing to play the challenge on. Tom selects 4 of these. They each find a place with a secure and stable internet connection. On the first three days they play for 6 pre-agreed, not necessarily consecutive hours. The fourth day is held back as safety in case of technical problems. Assuming they get 400 hands in per hour, this is 7,200 per month, which will have the challenge completed by the end of the year. Anyone who fails to meet his monthly obligation twice (without a very good reason) forfeits the challenge.

Jungleman agreed to 6 or 8 table which would have the challenge completed even quicker. Or they could just commit to play 6 days a month, and complete the challenge by the end of October! The schedule I suggested is really rather lenient (hey guys play 3 days a month to complete this challenge you started 3 years ago!). They played 6k hands on their first day! 4k hands/month with a 1 buyin fine per missed month is really really weak, at this point you should not allow such a low monthly target (not to mention how vague it is. 'Hey man I was totally willing to play 4k hands it just happened that I was only willing to do so while you were sleeping! Doh!'). A rigid structure with strong disincentives to deviate (two strikes and you're out) and all of a sudden all the reasons for not playing are suddenly less compelling.

A lot of people have side action on this contest. This is all not really fair on them. Liquidity is so vital in poker. I know people who have a bunch tied up in FTP, and are 'up' $50k which they can't claim until the challenges ends, money that would allow them to earn significantly more money. The longer this goes on the more chance someone could die, someone who intended to pay will have cashflow problems etc. The arbitrators should forcefully encourage play. Full disclosure, I don't have any action.

Well said! Hopefully this is what's gonna happen.

milfordsound 09-06-2013 03:39 AM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
IDK, seems like this thing wont end ever. I dont have any action on this (fortunately) but for all those who do, Id suggest somebody should make an official buy-out thread where rates should be discussed. At least I'd try to settle for a buy-out right now if I had money on this. Inflation will have taken its toll on the bets when the challenge finally finishes in 2024.

chinaski101 09-06-2013 03:48 AM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
maybe durr should pay one of the HU sickos $x to play him hu at the free tables if hes in the states. Would be way cheaper than what hes doing now.

Deldar182 09-06-2013 06:57 AM

Re: September HSNL **** Thread -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kittenmittens (Post 40033048)
@Deldar: When the there are more huge opportunities(and/or future guarantee of similar opportunities) to make as much as Tom expects to make in the big games he's been playing. The landscape for these opportunities is very scarce. It's of my understanding that Tom has offered Jungle pieces and/or freeroll of this action. I believe maximizing this opportunity is priority number 1. At the time of the start of the challenge this opportunity didn't exist?(my beliefs). That being said Tom has the quite conflict on pleasing other people and maximizing his expectation. Sidenote: Tom should not have said he is stalling because Jungle was being a dick about things. lolz.

While I agree to some extent with what you're saying, it's just been way too long. Not only that, but as you pointed out, Durr said himself that he's not playing because "he doesn't feel like it".

Foxwood fiend brings up a very important point; if roles were reversed, there would be a hunt for Junglemans head.


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