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fees 04-14-2010 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SlowHabit (Post 18186876)
That's the great thing about life. You are never at the top. There is always a higher mountain somewhere else.

are you able to keep resetting the bar? The problem is that I could pick something, lets say painting and I could get really good at painting, become a painting grinder, but at the end of the rainbow I'd expect to get a similar feeling about it

sharpyetblunt 04-14-2010 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SlowHabit (Post 18186942)
Deldar,

If I was in your situation and feel depressed and want to know what is the meaning of life, I would get my back pack and put in as many things that would fit and book a flight to Africa or a third world country and spend time with children at orphanages in those country (via Red Cross). No excuses. No buts. No reasons. Just do it.

but did you not read the OP? hes lazy! so hes not gonna do any of this. Hes gonna keep playing poker and once he starts making money again everythings not gonna seem so bad and life will be back to normal.

Jacked n Swole 04-14-2010 11:32 AM

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Deldar,

did u post on another poker forum as miowmiowchowface?

i remember you posting sick sick hhs if thats you.

are you the biggest Australian online winner? who is if it isnt you? i've always wondered this being a fellow australian poker beast

thatpfunk 04-14-2010 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fees (Post 18190481)
are you able to keep resetting the bar? The problem is that I could pick something, lets say painting and I could get really good at painting, become a painting grinder, but at the end of the rainbow I'd expect to get a similar feeling about it

life is pointless. theres one thing left to do. spread your seed.

fees 04-14-2010 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by thatpfunk (Post 18195349)
life is pointless. theres one thing left to do. spread your seed.

yeah this is kind of the conclusion I've come to, just counting down the days until I can quit and start a normal life

nuggetz87 04-14-2010 02:55 PM

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bravejayhawk, that type of attitude is usually had by those who are easily content with what they have. it's not a bad thing because you'll be a happier person, but you have to realize that people don't make it to the top or anywhere close because they were satisfied when they made it at a lower level. i've seen it talked about here before but i forget the terminology, maybe someone can help me out.

deldar, u da man. funny thinking back to when i (jokingly) called you a cheater after getting repeatedly owned at 2/4 a couple years ago. i don't have any advise that hasn't been said. just find things that give you a reason to wake up every day.

Deldar182 04-14-2010 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ansky (Post 18161478)
Randomly thought of this cause you are Australian:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/79...your-life-787/

Read that thread (anyone else who hasn't really should).

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Originally Posted by sjp507 (Post 18163329)
Whilst we're quoting Good Will Hunting this seems apt:

"Sooner or later you're gonna realize you dropped 150 grand on a f***in' education you could have got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library!"

But srsly, if you want to expand your mind and find out new things you don't have to go to school, the structure of lectures and essay deadlines would likely bore you and having little motivation to complete would make it very difficult.

There is a never ending wealth of information you can full your mind with and unless getting the accreditation of the degree itself is important, you don't need school to get it.

Start here: www.academicearth.org and watch the best lecturers in the world from Harvard, Yale, MIT etc talk about morality, quantum mechanics, game theory or whatever looks interesting to you and become enlightened.

If you become enthralled with a particular aspect to the extent that you're looking at the midterms and sitting them yourself then maybe find a good school and do it (I dare say your story may mean you can go to America and do Harvard etc providing you show a high level of enthusiasm but I'm not 100% on that).

Thanks for these two links, I will check them out, they look interesting.

BraveJayhawk 04-14-2010 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nuggetz87 (Post 18197002)
bravejayhawk, that type of attitude is usually had by those who are easily content with what they have. it's not a bad thing because you'll be a happier person, but you have to realize that people don't make it to the top or anywhere close because they were satisfied when they made it at a lower level. i've seen it talked about here before but i forget the terminology, maybe someone can help me out.

Only a handful are talented enough, lucky enough, etc to make it to the top of any particular field. I don't see any reason to expect to be one of them. That doesn't mean you shouldn't set out to be one of the greats, but it's something completely different to expect to be one of them and be disappointed if you fell a bit short, but still accomplished so much in short time.

Deldar182 04-14-2010 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by fees (Post 18165220)
just because I'm in a giving mood today deldy.

Most college experiences are that great if you are there to do something other than hangout, have fun and meet girls. You basically need to go to a very good school if you want to expand your mind. But deldar, you are rich! congrats sick brag. What you should do is start the deldar university of deldary. Pick some subject(s) you want to learn about, then schedule meetings with the foremost experts in those fields, travel the world to meet/hangout with him. Either pay them for their time or maybe just offer to take them out to lunch at a restaurant of their choosing and just pick their brain for knowledge. I would do this for at least half a year as you have no idea what you are interested in doing, the foremost experts in the field of your interest will be way better at answering these questions of life than the internet poker community. Also its way more fun then going to school but normally class is gay!

gl broski

-doeboyfre$h

ps I should point out that a lot of the people in academia get paid ****, so it really wouldn't cost that much.

Do you mean aren't that great?

This sounds like a pretty cool way to get an insight on potential interests. It would definitely require a bit of planning though however, so I'd like to develop my interests beyond vague ideas before doing something like this. ty for advice sir

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Originally Posted by AGx19 (Post 18166920)
deldar, can you imagine eating a sandwich without tomatoes?

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Originally Posted by babaar (Post 18167274)
fruit doesnt belong in a sandwich.

Oh man, this is very important.

Tomatoes in a sandwich provide the necessary moisture and crispness which most sandwiches lack. So to answer your question, I can imagine it, it just wouldn't be nearly as enjoyable as eating a sandwich WITH tomatoes. Soggy and old tomatoes don't count btw, you gotta get those nice firm ones for that real CRISPNESS.

johnnymomo1 04-14-2010 06:10 PM

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1. Anyone whos says they are lazy is talking bollocks,- You just need to get into a routine, takes 2-3 weeks tops to do this

2. Anyone can do anything if they try,

3. Small steps, get a job and do it for 6 months, any job, part time, full time, then step it up

You need self discipline by the sounds of it, you must have displayed this previously to build a bankroll, Apply the same principles to whatever u want to do, ie.. get up early, exercise, study, whatever....If you dont need the money then volunteer somewhere

nolebeezy 04-14-2010 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thatpfunk (Post 18195349)
life is pointless. theres one thing left to do. spread your seed.

I would definately buy a bumper sticker or t-shirt with this saying on it, you should copywrite this asap.

babaar 04-14-2010 07:06 PM

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I think the 'go travelling' idea is a little cliched but it still gets my vote if i were you.

However I 'sharn't' give up any more time over to someone that enjoys tomatoes in their sarnies. yuck.

fees 04-14-2010 07:07 PM

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yeah sorry, typo should be are not

SHIPITSENSEI 04-14-2010 07:22 PM

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Your only 20 bloke, take some time away from the game, self ban yourself from ONLINE travel around SE Asia. Refresh your mind. The break will decide where you are at, poker is like a wife........you come running back or you leave it forever!

JB123 04-14-2010 08:07 PM

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Sorry didn’t have time to read anything after your post so if I’m repeating something some has already said I’m sorry.

I have a similar background to, just not to the same extremes, so I hope some of my advice may be useful to you.

I come from an upper-middle class family, went to a private school in Australia, loved poker and was extremely lazy. Got ENTER of 82, when I probably had the potential to get 97+, struggled with motivation for uni as I was not sure what sort of job I wanted. I dropped out a number of times, changing courses until I finally finished a 3 year degree six years later (didn’t fail any subjects). I played poker as my main source of income for about 18 months, nowhere nears the levels you have played, mainly 5-10 and 10-20 LH. This was all a while ago as I am now 25. I also suffered from depression for a number of years after my father committed suicide.

The first thing I think you should do is work on your relationships with people, try and make some new friends or try improving your current relationship with friends. Start exercising, I found it really helped with my moods and motivation, which then helped me overcome my depression. If you’re not ready to go back to uni yet, travel. Go on tours, use it as a way to meet new people and make some good friends.

I would also recommend you go back to uni, choose a course that you can relate to what you are doing right now. This makes it a lot easy to gain motivation as you are able to apply what you learn instantly. I would recommend something like finance (first year will be kinda boring) and I would also recommend you start trading with your money, start off small and slowly increase your portfolio as your understanding and success increase much like moving up in stakes in poker.

As for poker I think you should continue to play whatever your bankroll and skill level allows you to play, but keep it casual, no more then 10-15 hours a week. Also play some live poker and be sociable.

Some of this is going to be hard, so you are going to have to suck it up and do something different if you really want a change in your life. It doesn’t take long to break old habits and create new ones, so stick at for a month or two and you should notice a change.

Good luck with it, PM me if you have any questions or want to talk about anything.

enryblrak 04-14-2010 09:28 PM

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Yo Deldar,

If u like food at all, Id buy an empty restaurant site and open your own restaurant anywere in the world u want, in your favourite cuisine.
Lots of hardwork but trust me, its def fun and satisfying.

boobies4me 04-14-2010 10:06 PM

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if you already are set for life financially then it seems to me you need to figure out and work on what it is that you are depressed and unhappy about. focus the same effort/dedication you did in poker towards working your way up the social hierarchy and building a strong social circle of good friends... that or just get on prozac. continuing to play poker if you don't need/want the money and don't like the game seems incredibly illogical. im guessing getting laid would help too. (not trying to be condescending at all btw)

boobies4me 04-14-2010 10:15 PM

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I'm with fees actually, though I won't go so far as to suggest that everyone should feel the same way I do. If I weren't getting rich playing poker, I'd be staying broke playing chess or magic. Studying and competing in a game, trying to become the best, is way more exciting to me than watching my account balances rise.
Yeah but for most people there's a lot more fun/interesting things they'd do with lots of money besides watch account balances rise.

joeri 04-14-2010 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Deldar182 (Post 18170898)
Yeah, I think I'm gonna install a tracker and get some stats and **** up, that can probably help me reassess just what the **** is up. Travelling is basically what I'm currently doing, but im sure I would benefit a lot from doing it in a different way, i.e doing the hostels and travelling in a much more busto fashion

oh and no pokers!

I would like to point out that there is also some mid-way between busto hostel travelling and balla pokerplayer travelling :rolleyes:

G_train24 04-14-2010 10:29 PM

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You could take some time to help an up and coming aussie like myself learn to crush the game like you, so I could also one day have enough $$$ to live every day of my life like Vinnie Chase, as you no doubt could do. Im sure things aint that bad.

checkraiseTHIS 04-14-2010 11:15 PM

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Try applying your game mentality to business. It's cheap to experiment - biggest cost is your time - and you'll discover a lot about yourself by attempting to sell stuff. It will at least give you a lot to think about.

Deldar182 04-15-2010 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeestein (Post 18167912)
hey deldar,

join ASIO and maybe one day you'll know what it is to kill a man

could be a sick career move

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Originally Posted by pattye111 (Post 18169555)
definatly give up poker for a while at least, and if it starts to excite you again, then go back to it.

I think the most important thing is to get ur ass off ur computer and just talk to people.
I can not stress this enough!!
ring up an old mate or a friend and organise to go to lunch with them, you would be supprised at how much happiness and satisfaction you'd get out of this

also get active, go for a run a few times a week. or invest in a bike and do some cycling. go to the gym. it will be hard and exhausting at first but you will feel much better about youself in a short period of time. Again you will be suprised at how much better you feel and how positive your thinking becomes.

and definatley go back to school, but dont just do some generic course, find sometihng that really interests you, just like scrabble and poker did.


and lastly think about the average australian whos your age, he is at uni getting Credits and Passes working part time at the local IGA or stuck in some dead end vac program. or they are learning a trade making 10$ an hour. You do not really have much to be depressed about..

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Originally Posted by Lefort (Post 18171341)
It sounds like there's really no urgency to make an immediate decision, so why not just relax and take some time with it? I see a common theme among poker players (good ones) that they need to always have an ultimate goal to focus on and obsess towards. These goals are usually [be the best, make $X, move up to $X/Y, completely ditch poker and join law school, etc.]. And at any point in between these times of having a definitive goal, the person seems to be lost and often unhappy.

Try taking two weeks "off". No poker, no school, no travelling. Spend each day doing at least an hour of physical activity (working out, sports, etc..). Read a book or two. Spend lots of time with friends. Enjoy the time that poker has given you, and relax. You have the rest of your life to live.

After those two weeks, and mulling over some of the advice in this thread, I imagine you'll be in 10x the better mental state to make such a big decision.

Yeah, getting off my ass seems like a very good idea. At the moment it looks like I'm going to set a date to take a serious break (I hope) and rethink my options.

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Originally Posted by Dave47 (Post 18172674)
Why are you fed up/dispassionate about poker? Well obviously the big downswings are a catalyst in this, but I don`t understand why you`re actually ambivalent about the game to such an extent, I mean you`re obv capable of doing well in cash and tournaments.. so my question really is why have u lost your motivation for the game?- if u could elaborate on that. Do you not still love the chance to 4 table a guy heads-up no limit or go deep in a tournament? Has the downswing had a big effect on the way you see the game? I`m guessing it does.

I think I'm fed up because I hate not being the best, or even being able to improve my game to a competitive level without hard work. Playing NL and taking idiots money still is kind of fun, but not the fun it was when I was heading towards something, for instance taking down the best in the 500/1k games. I would say that is where my career peaked and I seriously started to lose interest. This is probably why I like PLO a lot more now, I still have somewhere to go with it, and I still have something to conquer (I also like the more mechanical feel to it, it reminds me of scrabble).

I never liked heads up matches much unless I was crushing, and I never really had a big ego like some of the other players out there, which is kind of of strange, as deep down I always wished I was a great player. Unfortunately I knew I was (and am) somewhat of a hopeless button clicker despite what some say...

I did enjoy the thrill of moving up to the next limit, especially when it was 100/200+, but I no longer have that going for the game. It's just a grind. Obviously its hard to assess my true feelings when I'm on a downswing or major upswing though, so yes clearly this is skewing the way I see things- but I've had two major downswings before and this is the most serious I've been about quitting.

spino1i 04-15-2010 03:18 AM

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deldar I think its amazing you were able to get all the way to the nosebleeds and crush 25/50 without studying at all and putting minimal amount of time into the game. I think only 1 in a million can do this, and I think you should realize that you have advanced far faster than almost anyone else that has played this game. I studied videos for hundreds of hours, studied the game intensly attempting to understand poker theory better, got coached a lot by some of the greatest players, and im still struggling with 5/10 after playing for 5 years full time.

In other words, im envious of your natural ability that I will never have.

Deldar182 04-15-2010 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Saxophone (Post 18179513)
would you care explaining where do you think come your success? what would you say you do better than a 5/10 sh grinder?

My best guess would be natural talent.
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Originally Posted by Cafe Noir (Post 18181358)
I highly recommend that you read the chapter "Filling the Void: Adding Life After Subtracting Work" in The 4-Hour Workweek by Tim Ferriss (newly Expanded and Updated!). The soul-searching and finding the muse sections of the book seem specifically applicable to you. If you don't feel like reading it, here are cliff notes from the book:

- Replace asking yourself "What will make me happy?" with "What will excite me [...other than winning at poker :P]?"

- Travel ... and in an ultra-minimalist style

- Wherever you go make sure you're learning both a physical skill and a mental skill. So this way your brain has an outlet for what you used to be spending at poker and you don't feel like a waste of life. For example go to Japan and learn to dance and speak Japanese.

- Find a way to give back. It's not really important whether you open a school or save forests.

- My personal advice, go on walks in nature, I find that helps me get my head straight, and be try to be okay not doing anything for a little bit. There's not a rush.

Thanks- A friend recommended this book as well- I will probably give it a read when I get home.

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Originally Posted by salesbeast (Post 18184479)
If you love the game but hate the swings...get yourself backed. You have the skill to do very well and there are prob many that would have no issue putting you in the biggest games.

Definitely not interested in this. I think staking is stupid. Why wouldn't I just play small games if i needed to be staked?
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Originally Posted by Ansky (Post 18185449)
I think the money thing varies from person to person, and definitely with age. I previously cared very little about the money and was all about crushing bitches and stroking my ego. Nowadays I'd rather just make 10 mil tomorrow and retire.

This perfectly describes me as well.

charder30 04-15-2010 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ansky (Post 18161478)
Randomly thought of this cause you are Australian:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/79...your-life-787/

Read that thread (anyone else who hasn't really should).

just spent a whole lot of time reading this. ****ing amazing. thanks for the link dani.


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