Two Plus Two Poker Forums

Two Plus Two Poker Forums (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/)
-   High Stakes PL/NL (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19/high-stakes-pl-nl/)
-   -   DELDAR182 (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19/high-stakes-pl-nl/deldar182-759258/)

nolebeezy 04-13-2010 10:47 PM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Micturition Man (Post 18181019)
I would guess that a lot of them actually get slightly depressed when they finally accomplish what they have worked so long and hard for and realize that nothing has really changed. Almost nobody would be honest enough to admit that to media people though.

I'm not sure, but there have to be at least some people who feel extremely satisfied with accomplishing goals. I know that I personally never feel any sort of great feeling when I accomplish something that is difficult for me, but it seems like there has to be something driving people like Tiger Woods or Michael Phelps who could easily hang it up and go down as an all time great in their field. Obviously people like that are the most extreme example but maybe the allure of celebrity and the attention that comes with it is so intoxicating that they cannot give it up after they have had a taste. Or maybe it is neither or something in between, but for the people who are insanely driven, there has to be some sort of reward.

Also, lots of cool advice in this thread and that link Ansky posted might be the best read on this entire forum.

Micturition Man 04-13-2010 11:53 PM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Well for someone like Tiger Woods it's a bit different, because he makes tons of money and enjoys very high social status (which almost guaranteed he would cheat on his wife, but that's another story).

Also for Tiger there's no one single thing, it's just being the overall best player year after year.

For Michael Phelps though it's basically 4 years of training for a week of meaningful competition. Who knows how he feels, I could be dead wrong, but it would not surprise me if he wakes up the next day (after some sick partying no doubt) feeling empty and lost, and then gradually shakes off these feelings as he enters another cycle of training, eventually forgetting entirely how hollow victory felt.

But yeah people vary. For many athletes I'm sure winning is pure sustained elation.

fees 04-13-2010 11:55 PM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ike (Post 18181387)
I'm with fees actually, though I won't go so far as to suggest that everyone should feel the same way I do. If I weren't getting rich playing poker, I'd be staying broke playing chess or magic. Studying and competing in a game, trying to become the best, is way more exciting to me than watching my account balances rise.

theres def a coloration for me between balances rising and feeling empty about what im doing, its not all of life but like at some point early on in my career i was like yeah if I could just beat 1/2 life would be sweet, today I play 25/50 and its just ok

Micturition Man 04-14-2010 12:15 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fees (Post 18183564)
theres def a coloration for me between balances rising and feeling empty about what im doing, its not all of life but like at some point early on in my career i was like yeah if I could just beat 1/2 life would be sweet, today I play 25/50 and its just ok


Yeah, this captures it better than what I was saying.

It's all about the anticipation and yes, the journey (gag). Actually achieving a goal is more often than not a pretty hollow experience, at least after the immediate elation.

Imagine how any aspiring actors waiting tables believe they will be truly happy if they can land a role on a TV series or something. A season or two later they are bitter B-list actors yearning for a chance to make it in movies.

Syous 04-14-2010 12:25 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thatpfunk (Post 18181215)
sounds really simple, but find things that you enjoy doing. try out a bunch of hobbies. go surfing, skateboarding, skydiving, scuba, hang gliding, hiking, running, whitewater rafting, lift weights, drag race, write, read, ski, snowboard, rock climb, ice climb, golf, basketball, etc.

find things that you enjoy doing so you can close your eyes at night excited to do those things the next morning. and then play poker when you want.

+1 to this. This is more along the lines how I live my life (except I'm trying to push myself harder to make more money). I'm not really a fan of the journey in poker. I'd rather be at the top so i can feel satisfied to branch out to other things. Poker is def. an awesome stimulating job but what I love most is what poker enables me to do which is having the freedom and resources to pursue what I want when I want.

salesbeast 04-14-2010 12:54 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
If you love the game but hate the swings...get yourself backed. You have the skill to do very well and there are prob many that would have no issue putting you in the biggest games.

fees 04-14-2010 01:22 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Micturition Man (Post 18183873)
Yeah, this captures it better than what I was saying.

It's all about the anticipation and yes, the journey (gag). Actually achieving a goal is more often than not a pretty hollow experience, at least after the immediate elation.

Imagine how any aspiring actors waiting tables believe they will be truly happy if they can land a role on a TV series or something. A season or two later they are bitter B-list actors yearning for a chance to make it in movies.

there's a quote from finding forester that sums it up, its basically being afraid that you might fail, or even worse that you might succeed, once you get to the top of the mountain, then what?

galen 04-14-2010 01:41 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ike (Post 18167643)
Bull****. Deldar is really ****ing good and hasn't been playing that long or trying that hard. There are plenty of good reasons to quit poker, but it not being possible to make enough money at it is not one of them.

fwiw i played only a couple 1000 hands with him and i always thought he is very very good too. But i dont see how you can argue that anyone no matter how good will make less money now than 2-3 years ago when there were a lot more soft 10 20 and 25 50 games.
Enough money is relative. He will still make a lot of money, but if youre hourly decreases it still sucks.

Ansky 04-14-2010 01:54 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
I think the money thing varies from person to person, and definitely with age. I previously cared very little about the money and was all about crushing bitches and stroking my ego. Nowadays I'd rather just make 10 mil tomorrow and retire.

BraveJayhawk 04-14-2010 03:16 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
I've been playing poker for about 9 years, worked very had at it, I'm satisfied w/ my accomplishments and I get annoyed every time that I read a post like this.

Wah, wah. I won a million dollars, but now life is hard, please feel bad for me... yada, yada, yada

/rant [until the next one of these]

Micturition Man 04-14-2010 03:20 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BraveJayhawk (Post 18186379)
I've been playing poker for about 9 years, worked very had at it, I'm satisfied w/ my accomplishments and I get annoyed every time that I read a post like this.

Wah, wah. I won a million dollars, but now life is hard, please feel bad for me... yada, yada, yada

/rant [until the next one of these]


Meh. If OP were asking for pity you might have a point, but he's not. He's asking for advice.

BraveJayhawk 04-14-2010 03:31 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Micturition Man (Post 18186414)
Meh. If OP were asking for pity you might have a point, but he's not. He's asking for advice.

tbh... I didn't read the op at all... I just kinda assumed where it was going... I'm still not going to read it though. Like what's already been said, you're always going to have a new set of problems no matter where you are in life. For me, I prefer the problems that I have now compared to when I was going broke every other month 6 years ago.

The problem w/ a lot of poker players especially is that they're never able to get enough satisfaction to fulfill them. My brother hated poker for the last few months. On Sunday, he ran KT through AA w/ 11ish left in the UB 200k. With 3 players left, he had 600 vs. 1.3 and 1.3 million. One of the players busted the other w/ quads vs. top full house on QQ778. He ended up getting 2nd. Yet, when him and I talked the next day, he kinda rolled over the already mentioned quickly to talk about how he got owned headsup even though he went in as a 4 to 1 chip dog.

I pretty much hung up on him. It's amazing to me how he still had something to complain about after so many things going right to get 2nd and 26k. In poker, you have to be happy w/ what you have/recieve otherwise you're going to be the next 20-something to retire even though you've done more or better than over 99.5% of those than consider themselves a poker players.

I'm going to outlast most that I know and most of those on 2+2 not because I'm a better player, but because I'm more realistic than and willing to accept what just simply is.


Cliffs: We're always going to have a new set of problems no matter where we are in life. The op is most likely in a better place now than where he was prior to his success in poker. Suck it up and stop having expectations w/out a ceiling.

oldjude 04-14-2010 03:47 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ansky (Post 18185449)
I think the money thing varies from person to person, and definitely with age. I previously cared very little about the money and was all about crushing bitches and stroking my ego. Nowadays I'd rather just make 10 mil tomorrow and retire.

lol, +1. When i started i was all abt proving i could be world-class blah blah blah, but now if someone offered me 20 mil to never play again i so would.

oldjude 04-14-2010 03:52 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fees (Post 18184946)
there's a quote from finding forester that sums it up, its basically being afraid that you might fail, or even worse that you might succeed, once you get to the top of the mountain, then what?

yeah i have known so many people who are case in point, they are on the brink of success in an area in which they are very competent, but right when they just need to seal the deal, they sabotage themselves.

I think self-hatred is the no. 1 reason for this pattern, but i always say that those that can seal the deal are winners, those that can't (or won't) are losers(life fish, if you will).

Stranger123 04-14-2010 04:04 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Visit Costa Rica!

Best advice I can give you (God it's so beautiful here) :)

Deldar I haven't been as successful as you although I did play 25/50 and 10/20 regularly. Now that the games are getting tougher and tougher poker became less appealing to me. After a bad run I decided to quit altogether and travel for 6 months through Latin America. Best decision I ever made.

If all goes well I will start college after the summer in London. I don't know much about Australian universities but I would go to the US (preferrably Austin).
Hope you will find what you are looking for but definetely look into that Costa Rica advice.. ;)

SlowHabit 04-14-2010 04:05 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fees (Post 18184946)
there's a quote from finding forester that sums it up, its basically being afraid that you might fail, or even worse that you might succeed, once you get to the top of the mountain, then what?

That's the great thing about life. You are never at the top. There is always a higher mountain somewhere else.

pplayer28 04-14-2010 04:08 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
lefort, great post sir.

deldar - for the love of god please stop hit and running the shallow games =(

thirdly - how has no1 pointed out the huge non thinly veiled brag in OP

lastly - POLO!

SlowHabit 04-14-2010 04:11 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Deldar,

If I was in your situation and feel depressed and want to know what is the meaning of life, I would get my back pack and put in as many things that would fit and book a flight to Africa or a third world country and spend time with children at orphanages in those country (via Red Cross). No excuses. No buts. No reasons. Just do it.

React1oN 04-14-2010 04:17 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fees (Post 18183564)
theres def a coloration for me between balances rising and feeling empty about what im doing

lollllll feezy you crraaazyyyy

Fubster 04-14-2010 04:18 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by React1oN (Post 18187001)
lollllll feezy you crraaazyyyy

its tru tho

Fubster 04-14-2010 04:37 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AntiMatter (Post 18165471)
I would just like to point out that most people in academia aren't really motivated by money. Your much more likely to get some of their valuable time by showing enthusiasm by asking probing, intelligent questions.

strongly agree

Fubster 04-14-2010 04:44 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
honestly you're smart enough to make your own decisions without the help of any of us, so i'm not going to try to give you advice.

okay that's a lie, i'm going to toss my hat in the ring.

chill the **** out for a while. do something you've "always wanted to do" whatever it may be.

take at least a year where you don't play poker for income and do random ****. do what you want. just relax man. when you're hyperfocused on something, you aren't going to be able to see what else is there for you. take a deep breath, wander around aimlessly for a while.

you'll figure it out. don't rely on others to do it for you.

Qwazi 04-14-2010 05:16 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zander24 (Post 18164565)
If you wanted to gain a more US style feel of university, you could get a place at ANU in Canberra, and stay in one of the collages. I have mates that really enjoy that as apposed to the usual style of australian unis.

I was going to suggest something like this.

I spent a year at UTS, commuting an hour and a half each way, each day. It felt just like a full time job, going there, clocking in the hours and leaving as soon as possible.

For the last couple of years though, I've been living in Armidale attending UNE. With about a 3rd of the cities population coming from univerisity students it has such a different feel to it.

DoRrISs 04-14-2010 08:47 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fees (Post 18168849)
I'm sad to report that money isn't everything, the pursuit of money is actually far for fulfilling than the money itself

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordo16 (Post 18176907)
I hear people say **** like this every now and then and can't help but wonder how delusional they must be. As a poker player, it's mind-boggling to me that you can say that the pursuit of money is more fulfilling for you than the money itself.


How is this being delusional Gordan? cant think of a more exciting time in my life when i realised the proteinal to earn in poker when young and broke, not by any means saying i would rather be back there but certainly was one of the best points in my life, would like to be in this "spot" now with say a real life bussiness.

interested to hear others thoughts on this as well, cant jst be me and fees!?

Nick Rivers 04-14-2010 09:33 AM

Re: DELDAR182
 
Maybe you should organize an after school program for disadvantaged youth involving Scrabble. Who knows, maybe you'll find some underprivileged kid and help him become the next world champion. That would probably be more satisfying than grinding out money at poker. Even if you didn't mentor the next world champion, you would probably contribute to improving the lives of dozens of people. Building Scrabble skills would undoubtedly help kids improve their vocabulary, mathematics, and reasoning skills, all of which are useful in life. It would also be an intellectual challenge for you to figure out how to effectively provide Scrabble instruction to kids of widely varying aptitude for the game, differing personalities, and differing degrees of competitiveness, and to keep them interested in it long enough for them to realize some of the benefits of learning it.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:02 AM.

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Copyright © 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive