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Deldar182 04-13-2010 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by joeri (Post 18162563)
Maybe quit omaha for a while then, or table select a lil more. Omaha is such a sick game and at the moment i personally dont think your game is good enough to beat a though lineup. I've personally had a 250k hands be stretch, while winning 2.5ptbb/100 over a 400k sample, just to picture the variance when edges are small. Omaha is just not the kind of game to play when you are feeling a little low and are less emotionally stable.

But the best for u is to just catch a plain into Europe for a couple of months imo.

Yeah, I think I'm gonna install a tracker and get some stats and **** up, that can probably help me reassess just what the **** is up. Travelling is basically what I'm currently doing, but im sure I would benefit a lot from doing it in a different way, i.e doing the hostels and travelling in a much more busto fashion

oh and no pokers!

Deldar182 04-13-2010 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AntiMatter (Post 18162568)
What's the best approach for a novice to go about improving their scrabble game? Any good books etc? I have been playing a little recently, and was surprised/intrigued by the tactical nuances.

You should be playing chess by the sounds of things.

On the other hand, I'm with the people saying you should forget poker, and go out and experience the world.

As long as you know the basics, my best advice would be to buy

How to win at scrabble - Andrew Fisher

A lot of basic-advanced tactics are covered here

Lefort 04-13-2010 02:50 PM

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It sounds like there's really no urgency to make an immediate decision, so why not just relax and take some time with it? I see a common theme among poker players (good ones) that they need to always have an ultimate goal to focus on and obsess towards. These goals are usually [be the best, make $X, move up to $X/Y, completely ditch poker and join law school, etc.]. And at any point in between these times of having a definitive goal, the person seems to be lost and often unhappy.

Try taking two weeks "off". No poker, no school, no travelling. Spend each day doing at least an hour of physical activity (working out, sports, etc..). Read a book or two. Spend lots of time with friends. Enjoy the time that poker has given you, and relax. You have the rest of your life to live.

After those two weeks, and mulling over some of the advice in this thread, I imagine you'll be in 10x the better mental state to make such a big decision.

Deldar182 04-13-2010 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by zander24 (Post 18164565)
If you wanted to gain a more US style feel of university, you could get a place at ANU in Canberra, and stay in one of the collages. I have mates that really enjoy that as apposed to the usual style of australian unis.

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Originally Posted by Zeestein (Post 18166535)
lol Canberra

IDK, I'm personally trying to get a business going since I don't like poker and nl is hard, but I never made 500k+/year either

you're young and rich and white and Australian and male and healthy, and I played you @ Crown 10/20 a while ago, you're like a millionaire and I'm still pretty much here, like cool story brah

Yeah you kind of lost me at Canberra.

I don't think I know who you are, zeestein =x

ceavou22 04-13-2010 03:06 PM

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Man just do an arts degree. It has the hottest and most laid back girls and you can bludge arts very easily (ie. not show up for any lectures and cram in last two weeks). obv it has the subjects you are interested in as well.

Edit - Don't go to Canberra whatever you do!

Deldar182 04-13-2010 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jungleman (Post 18160872)
school requires much more discipline than poker, at least in terms of work ethic (not so much emotionally)

also, go out and get a PARTYBUS. PARTYBUS=WIN

I looked up partybus, it does look pretty cool , I understand how it could benefit me.

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Originally Posted by -HoldemKids- (Post 18166604)
Why do rich people cry about money. Kinda makes me sick + you said your getting a Large inheritance that will have you set for life? Wow.... Please I thnk you need a life, that's what it comes down to. Invest your money, start a business with a friend, start a family and stop crying if that doesn't help go to a hospitol. Grow up

just a realty check because TONS of people had it WAY worse then you do

refer to posts later in thread

Dave47 04-13-2010 03:40 PM

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Why are you fed up/dispassionate about poker? Well obviously the big downswings are a catalyst in this, but I don`t understand why you`re actually ambivalent about the game to such an extent, I mean you`re obv capable of doing well in cash and tournaments.. so my question really is why have u lost your motivation for the game?- if u could elaborate on that. Do you not still love the chance to 4 table a guy heads-up no limit or go deep in a tournament? Has the downswing had a big effect on the way you see the game? I`m guessing it does.

ike 04-13-2010 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by zander24 (Post 18164565)
If you wanted to gain a more US style feel of university, you could get a place at ANU in Canberra, and stay in one of the collages. I have mates that really enjoy that as apposed to the usual style of australian unis.

This post is a thing of beauty.

Nice_2_Beat_U 04-13-2010 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sjp507 (Post 18170298)
This kind of thing really tilts me. Depression and how you feel is entirely relative and it is no-one's prerogative to say you should or should not feel one way or the other. Behavior as a result of the depression is something one justifiably can pass comment on and is completely different, but providing you are being decent about it and actively seeking a resolution you are no more or less 'entitled' to feel depressed than anyone else.

+3
This had to be said! Depression is more like a disease... would you ever animadvert someone for beeing ill?

DonButtons 04-13-2010 05:55 PM

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seems like ur having withdraw from not playing 500/1k anymore..give ur body what it craves

StreamlineR 04-13-2010 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ansky (Post 18161478)
Randomly thought of this cause you are Australian:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/79...your-life-787/

Read that thread (anyone else who hasn't really should).

wow, thanks for posting this link.

gordo16 04-13-2010 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fees (Post 18168849)
I'm sad to report that money isn't everything, the pursuit of money is actually far for fulfilling than the money itself

I hear people say **** like this every now and then and can't help but wonder how delusional they must be. As a poker player, it's mind-boggling to me that you can say that the pursuit of money is more fulfilling for you than the money itself.


Deldar - You're a good poker player man, no reason to act rashly and give up forever. Take it from someone that has been playing PLO for way longer than any sane person should, it's an absolutely brutal game and the variance you encounter with it will be absurd. It's perfectly natural to be feeling a bit down given your history, but like pretty much everyone said, give yourself a few weeks of backpacking around somewhere that you haven't been before, and I'm sure you'll be hungry to return to the tables and put in time. The thing that disheartens so many intelligent people away from poker is that no matter how much time you put into the game, and no matter how much you study your opponents and tweak your lines, variance is just simply not always going to accommodate. It sometimes just feels absolutely futile to be playing your best and constantly losing, then notice yourself tilting and playing horribly, and winning every pot. It's a mind**** of a game, and everyone needs a break every now and then.

i think ill pass 04-13-2010 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gordo16 (Post 18176907)
I hear people say **** like this every now and then and can't help but wonder how delusional they must be. As a poker player, it's mind-boggling to me that you can say that the pursuit of money is more fulfilling for you than the money itself.

I hear people say **** like this every now and then and can't help but wonder how delusional they must be. As a poker player, its mind-boggling to me that you can that money itself is more fulfulling than the pursuit of money.

gypsysuicide 04-13-2010 06:52 PM

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Deldar182,

I know exactly what will make you feel better. Show a young hungry kid like myself how to beat this game. Then you will feel accomplished. What do you say mentor?

lol.

I'm only partly kidding, but i hope you find out deep down what you want out of life. When im questioning things alot i just pray to my GOD then i wait for results. GL

Micturition Man 04-13-2010 06:59 PM

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I definitely agree with fees on this one.

That observation actually goes back at least as far as an 18th century German philosopher who argued that the appeal of science research was not the discovery of truth but the process of discovery. Highly controversial at the time.

It's this way with quite literally everything in life imo. It's all about the struggle, the competition. The actual moment of attainment is fleeting and unsatisfying.

omgfml 04-13-2010 07:08 PM

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Can u add me if you play "words with friends"

screen name "omgfml"

zachvac 04-13-2010 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Micturition Man (Post 18177577)
It's this way with quite literally everything in life imo. It's all about the struggle, the competition. The actual moment of attainment is fleeting and unsatisfying.

Yeah listen to any MVP/winner of any big sporting event like an olympic gold medalist or something. They always talk about how great it feels to have worked that hard and finally achieved it. Then when they win sure they feel good/party/relax/whatever for a bit but then it's all about working hard to get another one, or set some other record, or achieve some other goal.

Deldar182 04-13-2010 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by galen (Post 18160230)
quit poker for sure

Its almost impossible to make as much as you were making about ayear ago, in the current state of the games. It is even more frustrating and the fullfillment you get will be less and less.

If you keep playing poker you will either:
Be unsuccesfull: this will really **** you up and make you crazy. Even if you make ''good'' money making less than you expect/want willallways be depressing.
,
Be succesfull:Say you double your money in the next 2-3 years. How much will this improve your life? Probably not much. You will feel some sense of achievement but the playingprocess will still be draining.

If you quit poker you can develop your many talents which you probably havent done the last few years. Learn some new skills, go backpacking. Go find out what makes you happy. I bet these things will do way more for you than playing poker and making money.

You are probably someone who cant combine playing poker with something else because poker will just be in your head way too much. Almost every very good poker player is like that. So you should either not play at all or go for it. At least think it through. Dont keep playing just because its what you used to and its so easy to just turn on your computer every morning and play.

Good luck with your decision

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Originally Posted by ike (Post 18167643)
Bull****. Deldar is really ****ing good and hasn't been playing that long or trying that hard. There are plenty of good reasons to quit poker, but it not being possible to make enough money at it is not one of them.

Galen, I agree with the general sentiment of your post except for the part Ike posted... I really do think if I got myself together I could make a heap of money.

I've never had any sort of proper training in poker- I never really studied the strategies in depth by reading threads here, I didn't use a tracker while i played, I've never had coaching and I hadnt watched videos til my first 3 a few months back (they remain the only ones I've seen). Hell... I only learnt that calling a pot bet means you need 33% equity like, 2 years into my career. Basically I've just been clicking buttons and watching money pile up.

Other than that tho, I agree, that continually losing is a total mind****, and I don't want it to continue. Thus if I am to keep playing I'm going to cash out most of my money and move to appropriate levels, til I run it back up from the ground again. Probably gonna have to put some actual learndings in too, which I'm not particularly keen on.

I'm not sure what kind of effect winning again would have on me, I think it has the potential to fill up the emptiness but it's tough to say. If I doubled my money that'd be pretty sweet- there IS a kind of end point for me I think, but its a hell of a lot of money I suppose, and I don't know if I'd be able to stop once I reach it. I guess that point could be where I could, say... comfortably spend 300k a year on living costs? Sounds a bit stupid, but I feel like I may as well go for a ridiculous end goal, as it ofttimes feels like it is well within reach.

As you said though, I think taking a major timeout to work on other aspects of my life could easily be immensely beneficial to me and my general mind state, as opposed to the repetitiveness of buckling down and grinding out maney. I also think I would struggle to maintain an appropriate balance between poker and the rest of life, I have struggled to do it for my entire career. I find the game incredibly addictive, so I'm starting to think a viable option is to close my accounts down for a few months once I've got some sort of life plan for that time, whether its schooling or just random travelling.

Thank you everyone for your advice so far, turns out this was a great idea.

Eagles 04-13-2010 07:59 PM

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Agree 100% with lefort

Deldar182 04-13-2010 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by omgfml (Post 18177787)
Can u add me if you play "words with friends"

screen name "omgfml"

I started playing the words with friends recently, but I'm already getting pretty bored of it, it's not as well designed as scrabble. My Sn there is pokerbluffs, for anyone who wants a game... can't promise I'll oblige though. Good for boring times on the move however.

Similarly, if anyone wants a game of scrabble on the other hand, I can be found on

"www.isc.ro"
which is unquestionably the best site to play it on.

Saxophone 04-13-2010 08:24 PM

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hi deldar,

I think your downswing is a chance to realise that you r not that interested in poker and you aspire at something more than money. I think its a good thing :) Anyway, take time off the tables, the game is really addictive and can get your mind pretty ****ed up. You have the time before you, you deserve to relax a little. At some point, your true identity will reveal itself, you just need to be confident about it


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Originally Posted by Deldar182 (Post 18178882)
Galen, I agree with the general sentiment of your post except for the part Ike posted... I really do think if I got myself together I could make a heap of money.

I've never had any sort of proper training in poker- I never really studied the strategies in depth by reading threads here, I didn't use a tracker while i played, I've never had coaching and I hadnt watched videos til my first 3 a few months back (they remain the only ones I've seen). Hell... I only learnt that calling a pot bet means you need 33% equity like, 2 years into my career. Basically I've just been clicking buttons and watching money pile up.


Other than that tho, I agree, that continually losing is a total mind****, and I don't want it to continue. Thus if I am to keep playing I'm going to cash out most of my money and move to appropriate levels, til I run it back up from the ground again. Probably gonna have to put some actual learndings in too, which I'm not particularly keen on.

I'm not sure what kind of effect winning again would have on me, I think it has the potential to fill up the emptiness but it's tough to say. If I doubled my money that'd be pretty sweet- there IS a kind of end point for me I think, but its a hell of a lot of money I suppose, and I don't know if I'd be able to stop once I reach it. I guess that point could be where I could, say... comfortably spend 300k a year on living costs? Sounds a bit stupid, but I feel like I may as well go for a ridiculous end goal, as it ofttimes feels like it is well within reach.

As you said though, I think taking a major timeout to work on other aspects of my life could easily be immensely beneficial to me and my general mind state, as opposed to the repetitiveness of buckling down and grinding out maney. I also think I would struggle to maintain an appropriate balance between poker and the rest of life, I have struggled to do it for my entire career. I find the game incredibly addictive, so I'm starting to think a viable option is to close my accounts down for a few months once I've got some sort of life plan for that time, whether its schooling or just random travelling.

Thank you everyone for your advice so far, turns out this was a great idea.

would you care explaining where do you think come your success? what would you say you do better than a 5/10 sh grinder?

Micturition Man 04-13-2010 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by zachvac (Post 18178285)
Yeah listen to any MVP/winner of any big sporting event like an olympic gold medalist or something. They always talk about how great it feels to have worked that hard and finally achieved it. Then when they win sure they feel good/party/relax/whatever for a bit but then it's all about working hard to get another one, or set some other record, or achieve some other goal.


I would guess that a lot of them actually get slightly depressed when they finally accomplish what they have worked so long and hard for and realize that nothing has really changed. Almost nobody would be honest enough to admit that to media people though.

thatpfunk 04-13-2010 09:44 PM

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sounds really simple, but find things that you enjoy doing. try out a bunch of hobbies. go surfing, skateboarding, skydiving, scuba, hang gliding, hiking, running, whitewater rafting, lift weights, drag race, write, read, ski, snowboard, rock climb, ice climb, golf, basketball, etc.

find things that you enjoy doing so you can close your eyes at night excited to do those things the next morning. and then play poker when you want.

Cafe Noir 04-13-2010 09:51 PM

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I highly recommend that you read the chapter "Filling the Void: Adding Life After Subtracting Work" in The 4-Hour Workweek by Tim Ferriss (newly Expanded and Updated!). The soul-searching and finding the muse sections of the book seem specifically applicable to you. If you don't feel like reading it, here are cliff notes from the book:

- Replace asking yourself "What will make me happy?" with "What will excite me [...other than winning at poker :P]?"

- Travel ... and in an ultra-minimalist style

- Wherever you go make sure you're learning both a physical skill and a mental skill. So this way your brain has an outlet for what you used to be spending at poker and you don't feel like a waste of life. For example go to Japan and learn to dance and speak Japanese.

- Find a way to give back. It's not really important whether you open a school or save forests.

- My personal advice, go on walks in nature, I find that helps me get my head straight, and be try to be okay not doing anything for a little bit. There's not a rush.

ike 04-13-2010 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gordo16 (Post 18176907)
I hear people say **** like this every now and then and can't help but wonder how delusional they must be. As a poker player, it's mind-boggling to me that you can say that the pursuit of money is more fulfilling for you than the money itself.

I'm with fees actually, though I won't go so far as to suggest that everyone should feel the same way I do. If I weren't getting rich playing poker, I'd be staying broke playing chess or magic. Studying and competing in a game, trying to become the best, is way more exciting to me than watching my account balances rise.


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