I'm looking for a consensus here and I appreciate any feedback from PLO regs.

So 3 of us are all in pre. I have 5300. Player B has 7000 and Player C covers. Player B wants to run it once but Player C agrees to run it twice with me. Player C wins on the first board and I win on the second board. How is the pot divided?

Not sure how you would have handled it if player B won the first board but as played, you should chop the main pot with player C which includes Player B's money.

Yeah you guys chop the whole pot. I never run it twice unless everyone is running it twice though, and I think doing so can put you in some getting freerolled spots.

DGAF and Player C take back their money.
2650 of Player B goes to DGAF.
4350 of Player B goes to Player C.

And, to answer Pony's question, if player B wins the first board, then all of DGAF's money goes to B, 7000 of Player C goes to B, and there is no second board because there's no more money to play for.

(having now read the spoiler, I agree with the 2 regs)

How is this at all confusing?

in this spot you obviously get doubled through player b, since the implied agreement with player c is that you'll run it twice if either you or he wins the first board. i advise against running it twice on the side EVER as there are certain situations where going twice on the side will give a certain player an additional advantage.

i have a personal example from a private game where i got it in 3ways ott on a J743dd board. i cover both players and have top set nfd. both my opponents clearly have 65xx. player A has 2k and player B has 4k. player B says go once, player A (who i always go twice with) says lets go twice for the side. (prior to any of us showing our hands down). in this spot, there's only a second board for player A to play for if I make a flush or pair the board on the first run, therefore losing equity and effectively freerolling player A in the case that i win the first board. I realize that many of you reading this hand will see this as being very obvious but in the few seconds of deciding how to run the boards out it's easy to forget or not realize you are getting freerolled.

Because I play NL and there aren't a lot of 3 way all ins and I don't think this has ever come up for me/things happen fast at the poker table and there is a lot of **** going on.

I literally agreed to play 1 hand of PLO since I was leaving, and this was it. Once the regs pointed out that I got my 5300 back + 2650 it made sense to me and player C like ldo,

But, the other reg was making it seem like player c was getting ****ed. And he was ADAMANT and making it seem like I was being dirty (which was beyond tilting because a lot of people in there think he's a God).

Thanks for the replies guys and after a few more I'll send the link to player C and we can both feel good about it and move on.

1. Never run it X times again unless all players are running it X times. I guarantee someone will either deliberately take advantage of you while you are tired or the dealer will screw up and "nobody" (except the quiet guy on the right end of the mistake letting you get cheated) will notice.

1b. Never run it any amount of times other than 1 when there is a significant side pot for same reasons as 1.

1c. Make the dealer do their job correctly and then do whatever you want. Too much work for them, and definitely too much work for you since you'll end up having to do their job for them anyway.

2. Main pot 15900. Side pot 3400. Player C receives side pot of 3400. Chop main pot. Both you and player C receive 7950. If you just gorilla math it, you get 1.5x your stack from the main pot and player C gets the rest, ie you get 5300+2650, player C gets whatever who cares not your problem. Player B gets to go home without the inconvenience of walking to the cage. There should be no way for there to be any confusion here if the dealer brought in the chips and created the pots correctly. I know that this often doesn't actually happen when running it multiple times, and I guarantee that this is how someone will take advantage of you.

Do the people who say they only run it more than once if all players do actually people in this game? Because this happens like every single day and isn't weird at all.

Main pot is 15,900 (5300 x 3)
Side pot is 3400 (1700 difference x 2)

C wins first board so now B is out and C wins whole side pot.

Now it's only the main pot and player A and C run it again. A wins and gets half of main. C gets other half from winning first board.

I'm gonna assume that the stacks weren't pulled in and formed into pots? When this happens it always create confusion when people are trying to chop pieces of stacks and make multiple movements. Easier to pull in the money and create a main pot and side pot.

It happened really fast because player A is the only reason the game was going. I had been all in with him earlier and we ran it twice so I asked more for clarification than anything else. Player C snap said yes and player A thought for a second and then declared once in a pretty impatient way (he was too buried to run twice I guess). Player C and I quickly clarified that we were running it twice and then we just went as to not piss off player A- at least this how I interpreted everything.

fml, by player A I mean player B ofc.

Pretty simple pot chop in this scenario. Clearly you get half of the entire 3 way main pot as others have said. Thank God there weren't several side pots with some players getting quartered.

I hope you see that other guy again and ask him to explain to you how he thinks you only get your $5300 back. Then after he's done explaining some BS to you call him an idiot and walk away.

You get half of the main pot, not debatable.

I see you've turned to the (PLO) dark side dgaf...

I've actually been playing a decent amount of half and half- but always as a concession. Plo is not for me...

Since player B wants to go once, I have seen the floor and dealer only go once for the whole thing.

Pretty important to make sure everyone is on the same page of course.

I'm pretty sure that there was a post somewhere with math that showed that in a multi-way spot with a side pot, EV actually could be changed by some decision about how many times to run it. I don't remember where it was.

How is this not some sort of collusion?

Player B wants to run once. Why should you get a shot at your money back after it's ran once? Either all agree or it's once. Basically after player B said run it once player A and C decide if either wins the first board they get a second board chance to keep their money. (Even worse when you decide board 1 doesn't get main pot, but winner of either board!) Why does player B have no say in who is risking chips?

Said another way: If you let this happen then every time player B calls an all-in any third player can call knowing he can negotiate a deal for twice if A or C win. Or you force player B to run more times than he wants to. Doesn't seem right.

You should have lost $5300.

Nope

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I play 4 card on the reg and this kind of situation happens often.

Most casinos won't let you do it, but of those that do you are entitled to the whole pot.

Conceptually, this is how it works:

Player A: once
Player B: twice
Player C: twice

Scenario 1:
Board 1: Player B wins. Player A mucks. Player B is awarded half the pot. Second board is run and if C wins, he gets half of the pot.

Scenario 2:
Board 1: Player A wins. Player A gets the whole pot, hand is over.

In practice, both boards are run and then showdown occurs which makes it a bit more confusing.

One correction needed I think. In Scenario 2, A only gets the whole pot if he covers both B and C. If only one of those two has more than A he gets the difference between his stack and A's stack back. If both B and C have more than A, there should still be a side pot for the second board, right?

Yes, that is right. The second situation where B And C have more than A is the most common. What usually happens would be something like 5/5 plo, player A has a shortstack of 300 and gets it in with B and C who are 2k effective. It helps the deep players who want to cut down on variance not get screwed by the high variance short stacks. Though I've seen situations in some casinos that don't allow multiway run it twice where some guy will be all in for 50 bucks and the two guys in for a 5k side pot are forced to go once.

Actually kind of funny, I'm in a game at a casino that allows it as I wrote this where a 3 way all in 1/3 player said once and 2/3 said twice.

I've seen this issue get handled different ways at different casinos. I'll list them from most common to most rare:

1) Board doesn't run twice unless all players involved agree to run it twice. Period.

2) Your scenario occurs and the main and side pots are chopped evenly in half to Player A and C.

3) Your scenario occurs, and you lose the main pot because Player B only wanted to run it once and once that occurs that pot is only going to be awarded based on the hand on top. Player A and C only split the pot in which they both agreed to run it twice, which is the side pot.

I think scenario 3 is merely a hybrid of scenario 1 and I don't think it's a terrible rule. I think it makes the pot distribution a bit awkward, but then again, I think allowing two different chop decisions to play on the same pot is pretty awkward too. I don't see scenario 3 much, though. I definitely think it's related to potential collusion abuses as someone mentioned earlier. I'm not sure if those collusion opportunities are realistic, though, as I haven't really thought about them very much. My regular casinos only allow scenario 1, so I rarely have to worry about the rest.